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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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It used to be that if Explorer (the Windows shell) was taking up too much memory, or I just didn't want it running (I sometimes close it to see how various programs of mine react), I could just fire up Process Explorer (a more powerful task manager) and close it. I just did this, though, and it messed up quite a bit:
I of course want to know any way to fix this, but also, I wouldn't mind hearing of alternate shells if anyone has any suggestions. (I will Google, but may as well ask too.) The sort of shell I want would...
Additionally, things that would be nice but aren't important are...
Thanks in advance. Unless you just come in here and act like an ass, then screw you. |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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So the symptoms you described sounds like all the versions of Explorer from 95 to XP anyway ;P
I can recommend: * Blackbox (for Windows of course, bb4win.org) * ROS Explorer (edited by FreeDOS on 01-29-06 03:08 PM) |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace... Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Just you know, but if explorer uses alot memory (over 20 MB), then I might advise you to check for viruses. In Safe-mode. I had a virus once that created thread in other processes, and causing big memory leaks. Letting the anti-virus run in safe-mode fixed it... I have no idea where the virus came from but i'm suspecting my IE using sister. xD Oh well, this was for a year ago now. | |||
Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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I've never had Explorer taking up over 15 MB, ever, even when I have a taskbar full of items and about 15 explorer windows open...
And those system tray problems aren't suprising, as most things disappear from the system tray when it disappears. The mute/etc buttons are probably hooked into Explorer (as it's always open, ususally, anyway) so that's to be expected. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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I can't belive people here arent SCREAMING "Litestep".
Litestep fits everything you just asked for. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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That was actually the first thing that came to mind, but when I came across their web page, it was one of those lame sites that you have to register to even view.
I'll check out those others (interestingly none of them came up in my search ). A virus seems unlikely, especially with AVG running, but individual Explorer processes can take up anywhere from 10-50MB. It may have to do with having folders open with a lot of images/videos in them. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Try this site: http://www.beyondconvention.net/ohussain/ | |||
FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Well Litestep seems nice, but when I tried it, it wasn't so great for the real deal.
A virus does seem unlikely to me too, the bugs of Explorer you described happen to me all the time in Windows. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOSDid you try multiple themes & modules or just the defaults? (edited by ||bass on 01-31-06 05:59 PM) |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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It was more of general bugginess... none of the other pre-made themes attracted me either. Making my own theme wasn't so easy either.. I'd rather make a style for KDE than litestep | |||
||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOSI'd be interested to hear what version/module/theme combinations you used. I've never tended to have any problems with it. (edited by ||bass on 02-01-06 03:56 PM) |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Well, I'm using Litestep now, and my opinion is basically "huh?". I don't see what's so special. Just a Linux-style taskbar (which can't be moved from the bottom ) and one small menu with my Quick Launch and Start Menu folders, a lot of text and INI files, and basic system commands in it. The taskbar feels cluttered (I don't need a Winamp control bar or a clock, those quick launch icons are HUGE, and I don't even know what that thing next to the Start menu is supposed to do), and it still uses Explorer for file browsing anyway! Also it seems to handle screen sizing differently; in Explorer, the border around windows would go out of the screen area when they're maximized, in this it doesn't, which looks quite ugly. I'm glad to see it does support Win+R and Win+M (though Win+M minimizes everything, crashing some programs) though. Not to mention the desktop is ugly (that font just sucks and I can't actually select the icons) and it isn't compatible with desktop-manipulating programs (if this is even possible). Finally these menus are a joke, jumping around here and there and closing if you don't move the mouse over them every 10th of a second.
It is certainly lightweight, which is nice; I might consider using it on my brother's computer as Win98 Explorer tends to bog it down (it's old ). But what good would that do if it uses Explorer for file browsing anyway? |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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||bass: Windows 2000, some version back in 2003, default theme and none of the pre-made themes looked good either.
HH: It's funny how you say "Linux-style taskbar" which doesn't even make sense. Also consider buying 98lite for the Win98 computer... it works wonders. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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I mean the style used in every Linux I've ever used and every Linux screenshot I've ever seen.
Anyway, I'm using BlackBox now. It's interesting but not a lot better. My desktop is now a single icon with no name. Clicking it I find that again, the authors have decided that Explorer should be used for file browsing... maybe I'm just plain wrong but I've always considered the file browser to be part - THE part - of the shell. The taskbar: it's certainly nicer than Litestep's but still not much. It's not so much a bar anymore as something that sits at the bottom or top - again, not the side - of the screen with your windows on it. The windows go under it, instead of the space being reserved, which IMO just sucks as I can no longer see what's there when the windows are maximized. The buttons are fairly buggy and tend to be drawn at the wrong width. There is NO Start menu; I have to minimize all the active windows and right-click the desktop instead. And I still can't get rid of the clock. Really, about the only thing this has going for it is it looks pretty. I suppose there's probably plugins to improve a lot of these issues. I'd appreciate knowing if there are. I see a lot of them listed on the site... would it kill them to add even a small description of what they do? [edit] Alright, so now I'm using ROS Explorer. It's not too bad, does what it should, though programs don't seem to be able to reserve screen space. (Though desktop window interaction does work. ) I'm rather confused by the file browser though. If I go to My Computer I get this really ugly browser with no window title. However if I open a shortcut to a folder, I get something that looks exactly like XP's Explorer, but no instance of it appears (Process Explorer shows its window as belonging to ROS Explorer). Biggest problem I'm seeing is lack of Win+R/M/D support. So overall, it's alright, but quite ugly. [edit 2] Any help getting Winamp's main window back would be appreciated as well. (edited by Hyper LOL on 01-31-06 10:00 PM) (edited by Hyper LOL on 01-31-06 10:09 PM) |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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You seem to be making alot of presumptions about Litestep, most of which seem to stem from the fact that you don't appear to know how to configure it.
Litestep is NOT explorer.exe, it's not going to baby you, if you don't configure it, you won't be happy. Here are a few litestep desktops: Click each to enlarge: Don't talk down about a peice of great software just because you don't know how to use it. (edited by ||bass on 02-02-06 06:11 PM) |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Huh, I could have sworn I said I couldn't find any way to configure it. I didn't mean to sound overly negative. I want to have it looking like those images (and BTW, the links are broken), but how? I'm not saying it sucks because I don't know how to set it up; I'm saying my experience with it sucks because I don't know how to set it up. (Hell, I'd still use it now if it used its own file browser and the desktop icons worked right. )
I got Winamp's head back BTW. Just had to muck with the INI a bit. [edit] And apparently I fail at grammar. (edited by Hyper LOL on 02-02-06 03:17 PM) |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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This weekend, I'll post information on how to make litestep look like those 4 screenshots I posted.
Also: Links to enlarge the images fixed. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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So... it's next weekend. | |||
max Blipper i'm a pixie !!! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6692 days Last view: 6431 days |
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you can get premade litestep themes over at wincustomize |
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