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spiroth10 Paratroopa                  Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| I hate the way there are so many whore-ish people out there today.
guys and gals both. I dont think everyone has to remain abstinent, just not sleep with every person they can. Even if its your GF/BF you shouldnt just sleep with them for that reason. I've never had sex, or a girlfriend(< long story) , but it's just wrong to sleep for someone without a genuine affection that will at least last a week after the act. People these days put too much emphasis on that part of the relationship. I blame the media personally -- most movies and music targeted to a younger age group (comedies, rap, etc.) shove sex down your throat. Im not sure what it's like in colleges and the real world, but the new generation (those in high school and below) are degrading themselves, and ruining all the work our grandparents and their's before them did to have a moral, hard working society. Im sure that when you were my age there was that one slutty group, but thats not what Im referring to. these days about 45-80% (depending on where you live, and what type of school you attend) of the people (guys and girls) are dirty filthy whores. I dont care who I offend. youve got problems about this, then your probably one of the people Im talking about. any comments? |
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Kailieann Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| I'll not go as far as to say I'm proud of the fact that I'm a 22-year-old virgin, but I am proud of the fact that I'm not ashamed of the fact that I'm a 22-year-old virgin.
I have a natural tendancy to look down upon people who hold a cavalier attitude towards sex, but I try not to let that cloud my judgement about a person, largely because one of my best friends fits that description pretty well. Yes, it bothers me that she's like that. But I'm not going to toss her aside just because we don't see eye to eye on something that ultimately isn't that important. |
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spiroth10 Paratroopa Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| yeah, I guess I went a little too far on that...
I dont really hate a person for it, I just slightly hold them in disrespect. I, too, have friends like that... I just think the demoralization of the world has begun... and not in a religious way. Im an athiest, so I dont even believe in god, but I uphold my own set of morals and follow my own code of chivalry like the old knights. people just dont think their worth much these days. my personal view is that women are priceless in the classical way, that they are worth so much it's beyond compare in riches... I also think it's sad that people flock to those who think that way of them, and in turn lead to them thinking that way of themselves... although thats just what I think, if you even understanded me at all... (edited by spiroth10 on 01-28-06 12:36 AM) |
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Tommathy  Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Filthy? *DIRTY*?
You're right, people are precious, and so is life. As such, it is our responsibility to ourselves to squeeze every last drop of joy that we can out of it. Who are you to block someone's persuit of happiness if they aren't interdicting yours? The code of the "old knights" was based on the idea that women were weak and helpless. Yes, I believe chivalry as the concept that the strong should accomodate the weak, but quite frankly I believe that the modern standard has shifted away from women filling this role and more toward the infirm and elderly, who actually do have definable handicaps. You think just because someone has sex with lots of people that they feel that they're worthless? I do acknowledge that there are people who use sex as a substitute for their own self worth, but there are people who use drugs, or school grades, or conformity to senselessly fill that void. Barring gross self-esteem issues, why is someone worthless because they sleep around? And I laugh heartily at the idea that you think that your parents and grandparents didn't have sex until they were absolutely ready. Why on Earth do you think that 1) Parents desperately tried to segegrate the genders in their social interactions, and 2) So many people got married so young? And if you don't care who you offend, why should anyone care what you think? And if no one cares what you think, what's the point in looking down on them? |
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SuperKawaiiNeko Paragoomba  Since: 11-23-05 From: Dream Chaser Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| Lets see where to start where to start.....
First of all...jeez what first of all? I still dont know where to start....Umm....Lets begin with the why. Why is sex sacred? What is special about it? The *ONLY* legitimate reason I have come across in this day and age are the religious ones. So unless youre religious then I REALLY dont know where youre coming from. If you ARE religious, then thats cool. Thats really cool. I dont bash on religion, as long as you dont try and actively force who YOU are onto who *I* am. Im mostly talking about christians and catholics ect here, no use trying to hide it, so Im going to just come out and mention the bible. Which does say all this stuff about abstinence and marriage and sacred bond. But it ALSO says that only God can change the hearts of men, and a lot of other stuff that most so-called "christians" have a tendancy to convinently overlook. Basically, if you wait to have sex till youre married because of your religious beliefs..thats cool. That is VERY cool. I respect that. But it is not your place to FORCE me to adhere to YOUR moral standards. I am not doing anything that has anything to do with you, so you have no say in the matter. Period. Thanks for respecting that. If youre NOT religious...then what the fuck is the matter with you? Why the hell cant I sleep with whoever strikes my fancy? These days we have enough protection that the possibility of any unwanted side effects are damn near nil unless youre an idiot, and its not secret that idiots just fuck everything up. I have yet to hear the logic that forms the basis of your argument. For that matter....I have yet to hear your argument. My argument is condoms and birth control. Whats yours? While I'm waiting for you to formulate said argument, please allow me to go ahead and tear one or two of them to shreds. Namely, the whole "it should be special" thing. ......why? We've already done the religion thing...I dont see how its all THAT different than a hug or a kiss. Apart from this sentence, just because I like to mess with all of you, lets skip the part about how you hug and kiss your parents and siblings because I know a lot of you are EXTRA weird about that kinda stuff...I'm going to skip everything and go straight to the "You shouldnt sleep with someone until youre married" argument, completely ignoring the fact that spiroth says "it's just wrong to sleep for someone without a genuine affection that will at least last a week after the act." but ALSO says "Even if its your GF/BF you shouldnt just sleep with them for that reason." as though people dont have genuine affection for their gf/bf. Which he would no doubt claim to be true, which I then call bullshit on seeing as how he has never been IN a relationship and thus lacks the personal expirence with which to pass judgement on people who ARE. Right. So whats wrong with having sex with the person I am currently involved with? Nothing. .......shit, that was easy o.O Not hard to rebutt a point that never had a true reason behind it to begin with I guess, huh? ^^0 And now the cleanup. "People these days put too much emphasis on that part of the relationship." Ok, I will conditionally agree with you on this. Sex should not be the centeral pillar in a relationship that is precieved on EITHER OR BOTH sides to be serious. That is NOT to say, however, that there is anything wrong with entering a relationship with someone for the exp "but thats not what Im referring to. these days about 45-80% (depending on where you live, and what type of school you attend) of the people (guys and girls) are dirty filthy whores." Bullshit. Ive already dismantled the majority of youre arguments. The only group I havent touched are the people who have sex with complete strangers at the drop of a hat, which you admittedly seem to think makes up a large majority of these people. And I call bullshit on that. While there ARE more people having premarital sex these days, and it is happening much younger, it is still largely within "serious" relationships (ie boyfriend and girlfriend who see each other as their only romantic interest.) The idea that the larger majority of highschoolers are having random sex with strangers is ludicris (spelling optional) and I must ask for your source before I even entertain this idea. And finally, my personal favourite, (I saved the best for last here, folks) "but the new generation (those in high school and below) are degrading themselves, and ruining all the work our grandparents and their's before them did to have a moral, hard working society." I must laugh in your face here. Hahaha. *ahem* Now then. First of all, "our parents and grandparents" are all full of shit. Their generations, in their own was, were just as fucked up if not more than our own. At least our generations "sins" are a result of exercising (spelling?) our freedoms instead of opressing someone elses. Our grandparents' generation was full of raciests, sexists, and bigots. If you didnt have a problem with black people you had a problem with women or gays or the japanese (which I can sometimes understand seeing as how you probably saw your best friend shot in the face by a japanse guy, so youre excused.) Our parents' generation brought a whole new meaning to the phrase "sexual opression." With african americans now protected under the constitution, who else can we beat bloody or rape while the courts turn a blind eye if not women in the workplace and gays? As for your whole "moral" shtick...all I have to say is that moral is subjective, not objective. Everyone has their own personal set of morals, and not unlike religion, have no place forcing their shit onto anybody else. I would go into more detail but I really could do an entire post on why "moral" as a standard for rule is largely a crock of shit and this is the cleanup so Im trying to keep it short. I'll just say once again that if it doesnt directly effect you or yours, leave me and mine alone. All that said...in OUR generation, people are largely free to be what they want to be, weather youre black and want to be a doctor or female and want to be a lawyer or male and want to be a female. You can love who you want to love and fuck who you want to fuck. Can YOUR parents say that about THEIR generation? Didnt think so. Yes. My name is Neko, and I am a liberal. CAN YA TELL?! =D *edit* Rather than edit my entire goddamn post, I'll just put a little blurb at the bottom that says I starting writing mine after kai posted hers but before the one after it went up, so I didnt see those two until after mine was finished. Uh....I starting writing mine after kai posted hers but before the one after it went up, so I didnt see those two until after mine was finished. (edited by SuperKawaiiNeko on 01-28-06 01:31 AM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| I'm not going to go on a tangent and explain it...But Tommy, from Mediaevalist to a non...Your view of chivalry is a little skewed and based on Enlightenment/Victorian interpretations seen through the Post-Humanist historical ideas. | |||
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Tommathy Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| So, basically, I'm a victim of Hegelianism.
Well, duh. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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Hegel fucked the 12th century  |
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Tommathy Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Wha? I thought he was the one that postulated that one's opinions can only be taken in the context of the times in which one lives.
Of course, that was but a minor part of his whole idea of humanity's "world genius". Anyways, off topic, ain't we s'posed ta talk about dems doity sluts now? |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Yeah, I don't need to be yelled at by this overzealous Neko fella, so I'll just contribute one tiny little idea:
Tommathy, I have legitimate respect for you for a number of reasons, but I take issue with your interpretation of life as a span in which each human would be wise to devote himself entirely to the pursuit of pleasure. I really don't think that's what it's all about, and anytime I hear the phrase "life life to the fullest" or something similar, I need to question its speaker's intent. Honestly, if each person were to devote himself to the hedonistic quest for pleasure in every aspect of life - whether through sex, or drugs, or any other questionable activity - do you not think it would injure the state of society? The state of humanity, even? I'm all for enjoying oneself, but I can't bring myself to agree that, in your words, "it is our responsibility to [...] squeeze every last drop of joy that we can out of [life]." Sometimes, the path that will bring about the greater good is not the path that will bring about the most pleasure for oneself. Now, naturally, that's not to say that to have casual sex will cause an orphanage to explode, but I can't help but perceive it to be an absurdly selfish and immoral goal to live life solely for pleasure. |
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Tommathy Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Today, in philosophy: Existentialism
One should live life as one believe's one should, not how others believe one should. That is a cop out. One only gets as much meaning out of life as one chooses to invest into it. Personally, no, I don't actually believe that hedonism is the ultimate exp Furthermore, in comparison to the zealous persuit of condemnation and moral superiority in the first post, the persuit of happiness seems almost noble. (Yes, considering the actual content of my post, this sounds like flip-flopping, but bear with me, I was mildly annoyed and was venting viscerally upon reading the first post. You must admit that when confronted by an extreme view there is a polarizing effect in a body, no?) I suppose I should've refined my point into "if this is the course of life that they feel is best for them, why is this necessarily morally wrong or evil?" Also, I had the intent of interrogating spiroth10 as to the base system of his morality, and what he believed the "worth" of a person was, but that seemed to also be off topic, and a discussion better suited to the World Affairs forum. Post Script: Oh, and I think you're a rather nice boy too, Silvershield. (edited by Tommathy on 01-28-06 02:42 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Unless we were all to agree on life's ultimate "goal" - and, it's easy enough to see that we're not about to do that - I don't feel like I could make any progress to continue with what seems to be the developing theme of this thread. I'll leave my input at this: sometimes, when I see how certain people live their lives, I feel disgusted. It may be for any of a million reasons, from an excessively hedonistic streak to the more obvious crime of outright disregard for one's fellow human. But, it is not my place to act as any sort of influencing force on that person, beyond the act of voicing my own opinion and leaving it open to either acceptance or rejection. If that person's actions are really so wrong - whatever "wrong" is - he will be subject to a fitting afterlife. Or, at the very least, his survivors on Earth will remember him in a suitably negative way.
Switching gears, I just feel like responding to the original poster by submitting my own reasons for living life as I do. Specifically, regarding sex. Now, I'm not a virgin because I'm a hideously ugly social outcast who can't "get any." I'm no ladies' man by any stretch, but the opportunity has presented itself and I have consciously rejected it. My reason is at least idealistic, if not totally naive. Like most people, I intend to get married someday and live the "typical" American life, and I earnestly feel as if my body is the one unique and priceless gift that I can give to the person I finally fall in love with. Certainly that sounds, as I cautioned, either idealistic or completely naive - maybe outright stupid, or sappy - but it's a value I hold dear. I abstain, not because I think sex is evil or immoral, but because I feel like, in a way, to give it up to someone now would be to cheat on my eventual wife. She hasn't asked me to save myself for her - I probably haven't even met her yet - but I'd like to think that she'd appreciate it. And, if she's compatible enough with me to marry me, I'm sure she will appreciate it. |
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Danielle  6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Heh, my manager was talking to me about this at work a few hours ago.
She hires a lot of teenagers, because of the type of job it is, and she has to deal with the "flakyness" of teenagers in this generation. How they don't show up for work on Saturday night because their friend was having a killer party, and how she overhears them talking about how many girls they've "banged" when it's a slow night. It's a huge generalization to say that this entire generation is like that, but it's not completely untrue. It's a sort of evolution, so to speak. How Elvis was looked down on, and then to top Elvis, out comes Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys, and to top them is this new HUGE explosion of rap and punk. Well, the whole view of sex in society becomes more and more lax as time goes by. At first, a divorce was practically a sin. Then it sort of became accepted. And now if you hear of a family with parents that aren't divorced, you're applauded. The whole view of sex has changed as well. It's not necessarily bad, it just depends on how you view it. Personally, I agree that it's gotten out of hand, there are 13 year olds having sex and bragging about it. God, a large number of girls don't even start menstruation by that age. But they somehow think they're mature enough to have sex. I do agree that it's largely due to the media today, encouraging it and making it seem like the ultimate in life. But I've done a damn good job of keeping myself out of it, and I don't have to worry about any of that, so I don't lose sleep on it. I completely agree with the phrase "live life to the fullest" but I do not at all feel that you have to have sex a bunch of times to do that. That isn't what life is all about. |
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SuperKawaiiNeko Paragoomba Since: 11-23-05 From: Dream Chaser Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield A legitimate argument for abstinence that doesnt involve religion?! You, good sir, get a cookie.
Not in the slightest. In fact I think that this is a noble sentiment that I have great respect for and feel should be emulated. Eat your cookie, damnit. |
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Anya  Since: 11-18-05 From: South Florida Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6311 days |
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All I will say is this....I never thought it was true, but sex is better after you get married.  Course, I'm only 4 days in, but still.  I didn't wait until I was married, but I've only had sex with one person. I found no need to go around and have sex with everyone, who cares what other people think and do. |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6417 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| I donīt care for religion when sex is involved. Iīm a christian but not that religious.
I also donīt like when people have sex just for the hell of it. Sure, it might be fun but youīre not always ready for it. You might regret it afterwards when you canīt do anything about what already happened. People should think before they do the fun. |
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Nebetsu Mole  Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6323 days |
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| Most people will tell you that you got a 1:100 chance of getting a girl pregnant if you're wearing a condom. Sure it's pretty good odds, but think about if you lose. That's a really big loss on the girl's part. You could kill all her hopes and dreams right there. If you really loved the girl you're with would you take that chance? I know I don't want to take the chance. I want to make sure we're both financially and mentally able to take care of a child before we start doing stuff like that. That's why I don't want to have sex before marriage. You really need some time living together and figuring out finances together and stuff before having a kid and marriage is the best time for that. I have 13 ex-girlfriends and I'm with a girl right now and I'm proud to say that I'm still a virgin. Lets see anyone else have that kind of willpower! | |||
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Tommathy Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Define (virgin) = ?
How about oral sex? Hand jobs? Making out? Heavy petting? Giving eachother peep shows? Or perhaps cases where pregnancy is absolutely impossible, such is, oh, lesbians and gay men? |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| I agree with everyone on this notion. After all these years, you would think that we've evolved to the point where we treat eachother as human-beings for once; it turns out only a few people have. I blame myself for teen pregnancy (I was stupid once) but I'll accept the responsibility. | |||
Black Lord + Flurry Since: 11-17-05 From: Where indians still roam... Last post: 6311 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by Nebetsu 1:100 chance.... ha.. I must be lucky, or else I'm not a dumbshit, and actually read the instructions on how to use a condom properly, yes there is still a chance, but that's why the girl needs to do her part and get some birth control pills too. Plus I'm lucky, because I'm Irish, and I have a four leaf clover, and a lucky budha statue. As for sex, I honestly had high regards for it before when I was a virgin, but now, honestly, it's not that big of a deal, I mean, sure, I wouldn't just go run into bed with someone, but with my girlfriend [whom I can easily say I love] I mean, sex to us, just isn't as romantic as everyone wants to make believe it is. I mean, I wish it was, because it would be that much better everytime we did it, but sometimes you don't want it to be a sacred thing, sometimes you just want to get on, get off, and get up, guy or girl. |
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