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Xeo Belmont

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Posted on 01-17-07 08:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by the magic-box
Square Enix announced Final Fantasy Anniversary Edition and Final Fantasy II Anniversary Edition for PSP, as the first games in the Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary series. Both games will be contain all the new elements in Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls for GBA, plus further enhancements in the graphics and music, as well as new CG movies and some innovations on the levels and contents.


Seriously, I could careless about new features. This has just gotten ridiculous.

(coming from someone who owns FF1-10 PSX, FFII / III SNES, and several GBA ports).
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Posted on 01-17-07 09:21 PM Link | Quote
If it were coming to DS, I'd be inclined to agree. However, it is going to a totally new system. Whatever I say. I mean, it is ridiculous that it appears that they're being released as TWO seperate games. I mean, it is hardly innovative or anything, but what can you do? Square-Enix is just trying to make a buck sellings it prime franchise. And why make something new when you can repackage?
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Posted on 01-17-07 09:37 PM Link | Quote
The original Final Fantasy is not a great RPG anymore, regardless of 'new features' and redone graphics. At best it is good for a trip down memory lane; it has no story or real characters. Final Fantasy II is a bit more modern and has a story, so re-doing it once or twice made sense for GBA and PSX, and I guess getting it on another system is okay. Neither alone are really worth the money, but neither are both together, in my opinion. Maybe they should try re-working IV, V and VI in 3D or something more interesting instead. Or, even better, Chrono Trigger. ;D
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Posted on 01-17-07 09:44 PM Link | Quote
I don't get why Squeeeeenix developers are remaking all these FF games when the masses are demanding a FFVII remake in the first place. I understand not wanting to mess with a game because of its success, but when you take a look at FFVII:AC, FFVII: DoC, Crisis Core, and whatever else the fuck they are planning, that's a pretty hefty risk to the FFVII franchise. So, why the fuck is there no remake of FFVII?


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Posted on 01-17-07 09:59 PM Link | Quote
The last thing we need in this world is another full generation of drooling FFVII fans. Not passive ones, but the terrible ones that must be destroyed. Square knows this, Enix knows this. They joined forces to stop this from happening (btw, I love(d) FFVII til' I met the fans)

I'm with death on this though. FF aged. That's about all its done. FF2, I could argue has aged poorly, but is still quite playable and enjoyable.

I'd like to see a minorly updated port of Chrono Trigger put out on DS or GBA.
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Posted on 01-17-07 10:12 PM Link | Quote
I guess what I'm annoyed about is just seeing this franchise get milked to no end, being ported to nearly every single console and handheld out there. Original versions getting remakes, and remakes getting remakes. I normally don't have an issue with this kind of thing, but seriously ... Squeeeenix is a monster that just doesn't stop, and its just kind of getting old if you ask me.
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Posted on 01-17-07 10:30 PM Link | Quote
So I'm guessing these games will have battles that can be won by holding down A, just like the GBA hackjobs? Meh. Removing the gameplay from games that didn't have anything else going for them is not a good idea, guys, no matter how many flashy FMVs you add.

Still, it's called Final Fantasy, so it'll sell no matter how much it sucks. When was the last time that name was used on a game that was actually good? Final Fantasy Tactics?
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Posted on 01-17-07 10:34 PM Link | Quote
Well, Xeo, your problem here lies in the fact that you're saying their name wrong.

Enix Square has definitely overdone the Final Fantasy Remake angle to the point where it's definitely milked the cow for all it's worth, but what enrages me is what I've recently heard.

The port of Final Fantasy Tactics that's coming to PSP soon in Japan (though unannounced in North America) will apparently have story elements in it that tie into Final Fantasy 12.

Since when does that work out? They're not even from the same world. That's a more specific case of Enix Square overdoing remakes to the point where they're desperately grasping for people's money. Years ago, when FF12 was still in development, they announced that yes, it would take place in Ivalice, but that that Ivalice was not connected to the Ivalice in Final Fantasy Tactics, instead drawing a connection to the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance world. Now, in an attempt to sell more copies of the port of Tactics that is coming to the PSP, they're retconning the Tactics story to include characters from FF12, in spite of it being, according to their previous statements, impossible for that to happen.

I've given up on Final Fantasy. Give me more Grandia and Kingdom Hearts.

EDIT: They say you can tell how much of an elitist a gamer is by asking them to name their favorite Final Fantasy game. The lower the number, the more elitist they are.

Mine's IV.


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Posted on 01-17-07 10:49 PM Link | Quote
I want to see more Skies of Arcadia.
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Posted on 01-17-07 10:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Grey
Well, Xeo, your problem here lies in the fact that you're saying their name wrong.

Enix Square has definitely overdone the Final Fantasy Remake angle to the point where it's definitely milked the cow for all it's worth, but what enrages me is what I've recently heard.

The port of Final Fantasy Tactics that's coming to PSP soon in Japan (though unannounced in North America) will apparently have story elements in it that tie into Final Fantasy 12.

Since when does that work out? They're not even from the same world. That's a more specific case of Enix Square overdoing remakes to the point where they're desperately grasping for people's money. Years ago, when FF12 was still in development, they announced that yes, it would take place in Ivalice, but that that Ivalice was not connected to the Ivalice in Final Fantasy Tactics, instead drawing a connection to the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance world. Now, in an attempt to sell more copies of the port of Tactics that is coming to the PSP, they're retconning the Tactics story to include characters from FF12, in spite of it being, according to their previous statements, impossible for that to happen.

I've given up on Final Fantasy. Give me more Grandia and Kingdom Hearts.

EDIT: They say you can tell how much of an elitist a gamer is by asking them to name their favorite Final Fantasy game. The lower the number, the more elitist they are.

Mine's IV.


Couldn't agree with you anymore here Grey, its not exactly "Enix Square" ... its Final Fantasy. It just needs to end, or something.

Also, I'm pretty sure FFXII's world of Ivalice, is like 400 or something years later from FFT's, yet somehow my friends are telling me Balthier will be playable. Okay, someone care to explain that one? Guess he's a god?

Edit: For me, I'd say VI. Yeah yeah, though IV comes next. Classic save-the-world story at its finest.

Oh, and you know what I want from SE? A good Mana game. Its been too long since I've played or seen one of those.


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Posted on 01-17-07 11:29 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Grey
They say you can tell how much of an elitist a gamer is by asking them to name their favorite Final Fantasy game. The lower the number, the more elitist they are.



Mine's I. What do I win?
The party system adds an extreme amount of replay value, the monsters all happen to be individual creatures who must be treated differently rather than the different-looking sword fodder found in too many RPGs, and the battles actually reward strategy and knowledge unlike the hold-a-button-a-thons we get nowadays. Sure, it's buggy and inbalanced as all hell, but knowledge of this only adds some more stuff to to the gameplay that must be considered if you're attempting to screw around with the game a bit.
Hard to explain, really, but the game just feels so complete, and the focus on pure gameplay is a delight. And as I sais, the class system adds so much.

But eh, Dragon Quest is a far better series anyway.
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Originally posted by Ziff
I want to see more Skies of Arcadia.


Ziff wins.

I need to try the original and see if the the GC remake is different.

Then I need to get my sis' gamecube
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Posted on 01-18-07 01:16 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Adamant
Originally posted by Grey
They say you can tell how much of an elitist a gamer is by asking them to name their favorite Final Fantasy game. The lower the number, the more elitist they are.



Mine's I. What do I win?
The party system adds an extreme amount of replay value, the monsters all happen to be individual creatures who must be treated differently rather than the different-looking sword fodder found in too many RPGs, and the battles actually reward strategy and knowledge unlike the hold-a-button-a-thons we get nowadays. Sure, it's buggy and inbalanced as all hell, but knowledge of this only adds some more stuff to to the gameplay that must be considered if you're attempting to screw around with the game a bit.
Hard to explain, really, but the game just feels so complete, and the focus on pure gameplay is a delight. And as I sais, the class system adds so much.

But eh, Dragon Quest is a far better series anyway.

Well -- Er... Mine's FINAL FANTASY ZERO! SO THERE! Yeah, I'm cool.

Actually, I like FF a lot. You're absolutely right, actually having to think my way through battles was a refreshing change of pace from the more recent games. It's just that the tactical part kinda only works until about halfway through the game. At that point, if you do the class change quest, everyone just gets so strong, even white mages, that you really have nothing to worry about for more or less the rest of the game. That was one of the only problems I had with the first FF. It's also more or less the reason why I like FF4 and even FF9. A fighter's a fighter, a mage is a mage, and you can't just run through every battle holding the A button down. Though, 9 did suffer from that a little, late-game...
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Posted on 01-18-07 01:19 AM Link | Quote
Final Fantasy I: Just because it's the game that saved Square, doesn't mean it's that great anymore. It's as plain as you can get. Beat four main bosses to get to the final boss with a lot of short battles, a few mini. bosses, and almost no story. It was great while it lasted, but now it's just another game with several poor remakes.
Final Fantasy II: Was a great game. Still is a great game, but it's loosing it's charm with it's remakes.
Conclusion: I don't want to see another FFI/II remake, it's only getting worse. Final Fantasy just isn't something that can be remade hundreds of times and still be good, like Tetris.
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Originally posted by Grey

The port of Final Fantasy Tactics that's coming to PSP soon in Japan (though unannounced in North America) will apparently have story elements in it that tie into Final Fantasy 12. Years ago, when FF12 was still in development, they announced that yes, it would take place in Ivalice, but that that Ivalice was not connected to the Ivalice in Final Fantasy Tactics, instead drawing a connection to the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance world.

On the plus side, maybe it'll have playable moogles this time around.

... what? I like moogles, dammit. Especially when they're hacking things to bits with swords. But, no one game would make me get a PSP, not even that one. I think.
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Posted on 01-19-07 05:37 PM Link | Quote
Again?

Ye gods, they have to stop this at some point. If they ever remake FF1 again... *REMAKE* it. Do a FF3 job on it or something, put in action-based gameplay, whatever.
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Posted on 01-20-07 06:26 AM Link | Quote
Watch it be emulated.

Also yes, Ziff does win, and my favourite is Final Fantasy -∞ so there.
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Posted on 01-20-07 10:27 AM Link | Quote
I simply want to see Final Fantasy 1-6 remade, with an Orchestral score, and Hi-res sprites on a single blu-ray disc. Is that too much to ask?

6 games on one disc, doesn't sound like a challenge SE, hop to it.
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Geez. Can't PSP already emulate the PSone, NES, GBA, and Wonderswan versions of these at full speed with sound and saving? It's too bad Zelda The Minish Cap randomly loses it's saved progress when run on PSP...

Oh well, Final Fantasy games are simply TOO DIFFICULT. I've played nearly everything but FFlegend 1-3. Never do get far in them because the monsters or bosses get outrageous far earlier in the games then they should. Final and secret enemies being next to impossible is OK, this isn't.
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Posted on 01-20-07 04:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by theclaw
Oh well, Final Fantasy games are simply TOO DIFFICULT. I've played nearly everything but FFlegend 1-3. Never do get far in them because the monsters or bosses get outrageous far earlier in the games then they should. Final and secret enemies being next to impossible is OK, this isn't.

No offense or anything, but have you considered the possibility that you're just not good at the games?

Also, the Final Fantasy Legend games weren't Final Fantasy games. The series was called "Makai Toushi SaGa". Square America changed the title so that people would buy them based off FF's popularity.

The same goes for Final Fantasy Adventure, which was essentially Secret of Mana 0 (or Seiken Densetsu 1 if you prefer).
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