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Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - General Chat - House passed minimum wage increase (to $7.25) | New poll | | |
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richyawyingtmv Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: England Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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$7.25...still seems kinda low to me.
I mean, the minimum wage here in the UK is £5.35 per hour. That's about $10.50. (edited by richyawyingtmv on 01-16-07 03:52 PM) |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Considering practically no one makes minimum wage. (Like 4% of the work force I believe it was will actually be effected by this), there won't be much of a difference.
Hell, unless Gamespot/EB has gotten really cheap and pays less than $6.00, it shouldn't be a big deal. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Sinfjotle They did get really cheap. I went in for an interview a few months back, they're paying minimum wage. At least in this city. |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by SinfjotleSo 4% of the nation makes between $5.15 and $7.25? That doesn't seem right, really. Unless maybe you're forgetting that not just people making exact minimum wage are affected by this. |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16 Quoted for great justice. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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It's not the percent of the workers that matters, its the percent of the total money earned. | |||
Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by emcee That's ridiculous! The highest percent of the money earned is earned by very few. And the min wage increase will affect those rich people the least. |
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by emcee Five people making $10000 (aproximately $5.50/hr, 40hr/week, 52wk/yr), versus one making $50000 a year. Those five people will get a much more major change, versus the $50k who won't feel much of anything. Yet, with this way of thinking, those five people are still just 50% of the consideration, and a single person is now 50% as well. I would like to point out that this is a flawed way of thinking, in that it would benefit a few (the wealthy) and go against many (the not-so-wealthy). This is exactly the type of thinking we don't need. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper I have no idea what you're trying to say. |
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Anya Since: 11-18-05 From: South Florida Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6298 days |
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All GS/EB pays mim wage to their part-timers and seasonal staff. And you're lucky if you get more than 3 days to work. | |||
Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by emceeOriginally posted by Xkeeper Short form: You're wrong. |
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SamuraiX Broom Hatter Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6298 days |
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Originally posted by XkeeperOriginally posted by emcee It's not really flawed as much as "different." And not to agree with emcee, but I think that utilitarianism isn't necessarily the ideal way of thinking. I think this is the wrong way to go if people are thinking of upward social mobility. The only major chance I can see for some of those five people is unemployment. Since employers will always choose the outcome with the greatest profit, not necessarily the greatest quality of life, they have no issues against hiring illegal immigrants if they'll work for less and the cost of doing so (possible legal action or a decrease in sales) is less than the benefit of cheap labor. Seeing as there's such a lax system against illegal immigrants currently, and seeing the number of people at McDonalds, Marshalls, and Burger King who don't speak English, I'm not going to be the one to judge. Even assuming that a workplace doesn't use illegal means, I think that employees and not investors or consumers will feel the recoil of this change. I say this for a reason. Given: Non-essential product A has x number of buyers at price u. Product A then shifts upward in price to higher price y, therefore the number of buyers decreases to lower number y. And companies like people investing in their stock. Or so I hear. |
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Black Lord + Flurry Since: 11-17-05 From: Where indians still roam... Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Quite frankly, I'm pretty pissed off... why... my reasoning.
Minimum wage was 5.15 in the good ole' state of Nebraska. Although, in bigger cities, most places paid around 7.50 an hour starting. Why? It's called competitive wages... Burger King needs to draw people from McDonald's by having a higher starting wage or the other way around. Minimum wage goes up to 7.25, they'll want to keep being competitive and start offering higher wages to starting employees... Does current employees wages go up, most likely not. Therefore me being stuck at 8.00 an hour means I will be stuck there most likely while the new shmucks will most likely start off at a higher wage. Granted... there are no new shmucks coming here most likely, and if they do they'll be under me once I get promoted from HTML coder to Programmer. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Kasdarack Yeah. Of course. Neither what you're saying or what Xkeeper said has anything to do with my point. You're arguing more than 4% of American workers will get a wage increase. I'm saying that doesn't matter. Your argument is that when companies have to pay more to employees, prices will go up. In that case, you shouldn't be looking at what percent of the workers will have their wage increased, but instead what percent more companies will actually be shelling out. |
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by Black Lord + Don't forget; if there's an obvious job oppertunity that pays more elsewhere, and everyone knows it (an it'd be easy to get), I doubt they'll keep paying you less than newbies. At the worst, you can ask them to give you a raise to where everyone else is. |
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DahrkDaiz Nipper Plant U wan hax Mario?! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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I personally dislike it. Only for the fact that i've worked at the same place for 9 years. I started thre when minimum wage was $4.75, I started at $5.00. I worked my tushie off to get to $5.35 then boom, minimum wage is raised to $5.15... I was like wtf. Fast forward to the present, I make $7.60/hr. Now someone who is less qualified and no experience will be making 35 cents less than me who has been with the company for 9 years. All that has happened to me is that I've been brought back down to a lower class. The poverty line has risen closer to where i am and thus, my pay wage means a lot less than it used to. I am ok with a $1 increase, but $2? | |||
Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Don't take this offensively, but if you're only making $7.60/hour after nine years of working, you need to find a better job.
I'm going to use my work as an example. (Dillon's) If I get an increase of $2 per hour in my wages, that means one customer per hour needs to spend $2 more. I'm a cashier currently (and I make $5.50), according to my stat sheet of customer's/hour, it usually averages around 20 throughout the day. (Maxes out around 25 because checking out more customers than that becomes impossible.) For every checker, there is a sacker. Then there are people who work in the back. (Around 10 at any given time and most of them make $6.50+) Now with one lane getting 20 customer's per hour, we would need (being generous here and giving everyone a +$2 increase), $24 more to support the wage increase. That's $24/20 or $1.20 more each customer would have to be charged. However, during peak hours (3-8), we have five lanes open. One is an exp $38/100 = $.38. Oooooo you're gonna go bankrupt! |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Yeah, and that's before all the wacky-woo tax cuts that every company gets. That's also before any other write offs that they can think of. And in the case of really big companies, that is before the creative accounting. Really, minimum wage raise won't hurt America. If anything, it'll help those that are struggling at the bottom.
Also, DD. I worked at a place for three years. The minimum wage didn't go up, but everyone else around me got raises. You know what really sucked? I didn't. I became a "manager". And basically I just bossed people around, had to work harder, and never got the fucking .25 cent raise I had been asking for for two years. You know what I did? I left and found another job where I was making 11 dollars an hour, 12 hours a day. 5 days a week. |
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Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Competitive wages in Burger King? Burger King doesn't want the best, it wants the easiest. The cheapest. This is the same across retail everywhere these days. As long as you can demonstrate you can follow the rules and listen to orders, you can work in any common shop anywhere.
The minimum wage does not just benefit the people at the baseline, it benefits everyone from the previous amount right up to the new $7 odd. If you're in the case that you've had a few rises anyway, your employer will probably review your situation again, as they've demonstrated that they thought it was neccessary in the past. The minimum wage is there to protect the poorest from exploitation, not to protect the middle or upper class. |
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Black Lord + Flurry Since: 11-17-05 From: Where indians still roam... Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra Believe it or not, they offer some decent starting wages for a fast food restaurant, at least in larger cities... I saw one that was hiring part-time employees starting at 8.25 an hour. |
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