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Posted on 01-11-07 08:57 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by IGN
Not a week seems to go by without a lawsuit. This week's legal woes come to Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony courtesy of a suit filed by Texas-based Fenner Investments. The suit claims all three infringed on the company's 1998 patent for a "low-voltage port interface" according to Gamasutra.

While the famed Immersion lawsuit focused on force-feedback technology, this most recent suit is concerned with joystick ports. The lawsuit seeks damages and an injunction against the big three.

The merit behind the suit is unclear as of the filing. The patent summary reads: "The joystick port interface according the present invention is a low power port which interfaces a typical 5 Volt joystick peripheral device with a lower power computer port. The low-voltage joystick port interface includes a bidirectional buffer circuit and a pulse generator which, together, generate a digital pulse signal, representing a joystick coordinate position, based on an input analog measurement signal."

It remains to be seen what the next patent lawsuit might be, but we're certain another will come within the next month.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/754/754407p1.html

Yeah, taking on Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all at once ... I'm sure that'll go well for these guys.
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Posted on 01-11-07 09:06 AM Link | Quote
[shrugs] If people can sue McDonald's over spilled coffee, they can do whatever they want nowadays.
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Posted on 01-11-07 09:24 AM Link | Quote
What exactly are they suing for?

It almost looks like they're suing for a joystick being used for.. Anything at all?

That's gonna go great, because Nintendo didn't have a controller out before the patent or anything.

Hell, Sony may have as well... Maybe even Microsoft..
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Posted on 01-11-07 09:45 AM Link | Quote
Umm, sounds like it could be a patent on the port used to transfer analog signal?

I dunno.


(edited by NSNick on 01-11-07 03:45 AM)
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Posted on 01-11-07 10:26 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by NSNick
Umm, sounds like it could be a patent on the port used to transfer analog signal?

I dunno.


The Patent was filed 1998, and approved in 2001. Didn't have Atari some kind of joystick port in the 70ies?

I don't know about US Patent Laws, but isn't it prohibited to patent anything which can not be proved to be unique and new and stuff? (That's why you can't patent the waterheating process and stuff).
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Posted on 01-11-07 12:28 PM Link | Quote
Their joystick was digital, not analog. Also, the bidirectional port could imply that the port is capable of sending information to the controller vis-a-vis memory cards, rumble, etc.
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Posted on 01-11-07 02:53 PM Link | Quote
Don't know if this guy is telling the truth, but interesting if he is:

Originally posted by DLPotts on digg.com
Few things to point out here. 1) I don't know who filed the infringement on this patent. 2) I am one of the inventors of this patent (DLPotts from Royersford, PA). I have no idea how they expect this to fly in court. Why? The idea of the patent directly ties to JOYSTICK PORTS on PC's, and NOTHING else. The Joystick port on the PC is a 5volt open collector port that uses sampled time to determine if the potentiometer has moved or not. Eventually the semiconductors involved dropped to 3.3 volt and thus the Joystick port would not function any more. The Patent reflects how the port had to be modified to accept a current joystick (ones designed to run on 5 volt) and still be accurate. The idea behind the design was not to stop people from inventing a low voltage joystick such as Nintendo, Sony and MS have done, but a way to use the (then current) joysticks in future systems.

Since none of the game consoles involved actually use "PC JOYSTICK" ports (they have created their own ports), and they are not interfacing to the analog PC joysticks of the time; there is no way that this would ever stand up in court.

I would also like to give a shout out to Jalil Fadavi of this patent too; he lost his battle to cancer a few months back.. He was a great man.
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Posted on 01-11-07 02:55 PM Link | Quote
Let those silly lawsuits come, so they eventually redo the flawed patent laws.

You don't need to be a lawyer to see that those lawsuits won't lead anywhere anyway.
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Posted on 01-11-07 09:21 PM Link | Quote
You'll never change patent laws. Just like you'll never change me being an asshole. They're irreversible and probably worse off for everyone.

Also, yeah. You see that is a bad strategy. If the Big 3 are working together on a court case there is NO WAY you can win. That is a lot of money that you're spending on a flimsy ass case.
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Posted on 01-12-07 07:06 AM Link | Quote
Geez, if all three companies actually DID fight this lawsuit together... night-night Fenner Investments.

They get a settlement if they're LUCKY, no way in hell they win this.
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Posted on 01-12-07 09:19 AM Link | Quote
Surely they'll get some sort of settlement... almost all civil suits are settled out of court. It's just how corporations do things. It's usually considered a better alternative than paying attorney fees, court costs, and any potential losses if things don't go the defendant's way.

I think my environmental law prof said that 96% of all civil suits were settled out of court, but don't take that to the bank...
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Posted on 01-13-07 02:38 AM Link | Quote
As an investment company, I'm sure they have no problem forking out money to lawyers to sue these three to keep this patent, which will then force the three companies to either A) Race for a bigger offer to buy the patent, or B) simply engineer another system for their peripherals.

This way, everyone wins.
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Posted on 01-13-07 04:19 AM Link | Quote
But, as stated, the patent has no relevance here.


(edited by Alastor on 01-15-07 03:26 PM)
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Posted on 01-15-07 06:15 PM Link | Quote
Good to see one of the patent holders speaking out against whoever filed the suit. Especially because said person's going to get... how you say...

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Posted on 01-15-07 09:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by NSNick
Their joystick was digital, not analog. Also, the bidirectional port could imply that the port is capable of sending information to the controller vis-a-vis memory cards, rumble, etc.
Even then, I believe that analogue joysticks have been around for quite awhile, such as the "game port" on some sound cards.
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