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Posted on 12-05-06 02:49 AM Link | Quote

This is Opera and IE7 (well, kind of. IE7 has a larger space between them, but for the most part, it's pretty perfect.)


This is lololol.

Of course, this is with MAGICAL STANDARDS and VALID HTML/CSS.

But, you know, standards don't really mean anything.

*Xkeeper goes back to using tables
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Posted on 12-05-06 02:50 AM Link | Quote
I dare you to post the code of it. A picture is useless without any proof
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Posted on 12-05-06 02:51 AM Link | Quote
gee, I've only pasted it into IRC 20 times
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Posted on 12-05-06 03:02 AM Link | Quote
*225825> +FreeDOS-plus> width: 100%;
*225829> +FreeDOS-plus> any thoughts?
*225841> +FreeDOS-plus> my conclusion, IE and Opera are wrong
*225850> @laptuna> since when did width:100%
*225856> @laptuna> and margin: 0 170px 0 0;
*225903> @laptuna> equate to so big it's off the fucking screen
*225922> @laptuna> last I checked, 100% - 170 != 105%
*230015> +FreeDOS-plus> who knows, KHTML did it too, and they generally have the best adherance to standards
*230042> @laptuna> so it confirms what I already knew
*230048> @laptuna> namely, standards are bullshit, long live tables

sigh
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Posted on 12-05-06 08:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Long Live Tables


quoted and emphasized for emphasis.
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Posted on 12-06-06 05:49 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
standards are bullshit, long live tables

This is a perfect example of this.

IE: <table style="width:100%"> is defined to mean 100% of the window size.
Opera: <table style="margin:20px"> sets the page margins to 20px around and not the object margins to 20px.
FF: Works beautifully.

Why won't it just work already?!
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Posted on 12-10-06 04:31 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
*230048> @laptuna> namely, standards are bullshit, long live tables

Since when were tables non-standard? I didn't get the memo.
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Posted on 12-10-06 04:34 AM Link | Quote
Some dumb people are saying tables are clumsy and should be replaced with CSS.

That'd be great, but the CSS doesn't work so that's a load of BS.

May tables live forever!
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Posted on 12-10-06 10:45 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FreeDOS +
Since when were tables non-standard? I didn't get the memo.

Since deafblind people started using the internet and their text-to-speech programs got mauled by tables.

(edited by Kailieann on 12-10-06 09:46 AM)
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Posted on 12-10-06 08:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal Man88
Some dumb people are saying tables are clumsy and should be replaced with CSS.

That'd be great, but the CSS doesn't work so that's a load of BS.

May tables live forever!

I've been saying this the whole time, but only now people have started agreeing with me. CSS is a load plain and simple. Good idea, terrible execution.

BTW:

Show me this border style in CSS. The "ridge" style is the closest match, and it's fugly.
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Posted on 12-10-06 10:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by Metal Man88
Some dumb people are saying tables are clumsy and should be replaced with CSS.

That'd be great, but the CSS doesn't work so that's a load of BS.

May tables live forever!

I've been saying this the whole time, but only now people have started agreeing with me. CSS is a load plain and simple. Good idea, terrible execution.

BTW:

Show me this border style in CSS. The "ridge" style is the closest match, and it's fugly.

I believe you need two DIVs for that, one with outset border and a bit of padding (for outer) and inset border (for inside)

but then again divs in divs are unpredictable
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Posted on 12-10-06 10:25 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kailieann
Originally posted by FreeDOS +
Since when were tables non-standard? I didn't get the memo.

Since deafblind people started using the internet and their text-to-speech programs got mauled by tables.

That's called accessibility, not standards.
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Posted on 12-10-06 10:27 PM Link | Quote
there's a difference between using tables "the standards way" (i.e., not using them) and u sing them the "I don't feel like debugging these DIVs for five hours trying to find out what dumb quirk in (browser) makes it render this way" way.
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Posted on 12-10-06 10:32 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kailieann
Originally posted by FreeDOS +
Since when were tables non-standard? I didn't get the memo.

Since deafblind people started using the internet and their text-to-speech programs got mauled by tables.


"Less than" "Table" "Greater Than" "Less than" "Tee Arr" "Greater Than" "Less than" "Tee Dee" "Greater Than" "This is what a table sounds like" "Less than" "Slash Tee Dee" "Greater Than" "Less than" "Slash Tee Arr" "Greater Than" " Less than" "Slash Table" "Greater Than"

Repeat ad nauseam.
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Posted on 12-11-06 11:09 PM Link | Quote
Well yes, if you're having it read the source code.
Metal Man88

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Posted on 12-12-06 08:19 PM Link | Quote
I came up with a new rhyme for this: "Standards are for standorks!"

Also, don't modern text-readers interpret tables correctly? It's pretty easy to make it interpret the TDs and stuff and go "Table Column List: Bla bla bla" and such. And then go down by column, or something. ...But how are blind people supposed to understand tables anyway?
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Posted on 12-12-06 11:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal Man88
I came up with a new rhyme for this: "Standards are for standorks!"

Just to show how immature I really am, I actually laughed out loud when I read that.

HyperHacker

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Posted on 12-14-06 07:04 AM Link | Quote
The real question is what blind person uses the Interweb? I don't know any. Do you know any?

(edited by HyperHacker on 12-14-06 06:05 AM)
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Posted on 12-14-06 08:11 AM Link | Quote
To be fair, how many blind people do you know?

Several of them use the internet, Alice.
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Posted on 12-14-06 08:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kailieann
To be fair, how many blind people do you know?

Exactly.
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