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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - Entertainment & Sports - Are you ready for some College Football?!? (Bowl Picks) |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE                   Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| That was the best experience ever.
And I will probably not be able to speak after I wake up (again). Also, even the lottery knows what's important.  
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| So... Michigan is still #2 in both the BCS and the AP.
I guess a rematch hinges on the ND-USC game... |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day    Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| From the news conference the other day, it sounded like OSU did not want to see Michigan again this season... Although USC knocked off Cal, if it means that we do not have an OSU vs. Michigan rematch, then I'm all for USC beating ND | |||
MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Some argue that USC deserves to face OSU in the championship if they beat ND, but if not, then Michigan deserves a rematch. But as a ND fan, I'd honestly rather see a ND-Michigan rematch if USC loses. I don't think it's very becoming for either Michigan or ND to expect to be in the championship, even with as well as Michigan played against OSU. They still lost. Would it really vindicate the Wolverines even if they won in a championship game against OSU? I don't think so. They were playing with plenty of passion on Saturday and they still lost. OSU would then deserve a best of three and we've have an escalation of nonsense.
And if ND played in the championship, it wouldn't even made sense for them to be champions if they won... b/c they lost to Michigan. It wouldn't seem valid. Unless you make some kind of excuse that they just had a bad game the first time against big M. Michigan had their chance this season, they should have to fight to retain their ranking, not have a chance to go higher. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 11-21-06 02:36 AM) |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6321 days |
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| Isn't the whole argument for Meeshigan/OSU II: Electric Boogaloo that they're just that much better than anyone else? Well... uh, who wants to prove that? Just about everyone else that's up there is in a different conference (seeing as the Big Ten's top-heavy as shite), and doesn't get to play 'em. Let's look at the polls... and due to Woody Paige content regulations, LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE!
Games for either Thee Ohio State University or Meeshigan where the victim was in the top 25 at the time, not counting that Saturday thingy: Four (Ohio State vs. #2 Tejas, #24 Penn State, #13 Iowa, Meeshigan vs. #2 Our Injury). Rankings for those teams now: Notre Dame 6/6, Texas 10/11, Penn State votes/votes, Iowa DNP (CD). Their records: Notre Dame 10-1, Texas 9-2, Penn State 8-4, Iowa 6-6. So Thee Ohio State University's the only one who'd have a case for a rematich if they lost the head-to-head... whiiiich they didn't. Both teams can say they played one other Best Of The Best team, but Thee Ohio State University played two other teams of note. Strength of schedule? Ohio State 95, Michigan... 47. Well, shit, that doesn't help my case. Eh, that site has Boise State DFL. So whose cuisine SHOULD reign supreme? USC. They've got a game or two in hand, have a decent strength of schedule, have the poll numbers, and most importantly, HAVEN'T ALREADY LOST TO THIS YEAR'S KING SHIT TEAM. Meeshigan had their chance at Thee Ohio State University and lost. NEXT. |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Um, beg your pardon, USC does not have there next two games locked. I'm biased for the ND game, but it's not an unreasonable thing to think that ND will beat USC. And USC v. UCLA is a cross town rivalry and we all know that those are always competitive even if one team is much higher ranked than the other. My biggest worry is that if ND beats USC will it be enough to jump Mich. I'd think so, but who knows. Depends on whether voters put into account that NDs loss to Mich was the beginning of the season. Gotta be hopeful. At least ND's pretty much got the Rose Bowl on lock if we don't get into the national title game.
And Ohio State definitely looked like a much better team than Mich in that game. I didn't have a doubt that they would win the whole game, smith looked a lot more comfortable and crisp than henne. (edited by Young Guru on 11-21-06 06:35 PM) |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by drjayphd I think this is a flawed argument. It would be better to examine wins and losses against teams that are current top 25 contenders, as that would provide a more up to date assessment. Even Indiana beat Iowa, why consider them? Obviously Notre Dame is not #2 anymore, neither is Texas. USC opponents (BCS) Arkansas (6) Nebraska (23) Notre Dame (5) California (19) OSU opponents (BCS) Texas (13) Wisconsin (8) Michigan (2) Penn State (25) Michigan opponents (BCS) Wisconsin (8) Notre Dame (5) OSU (1) Penn State (25) (thrown in just for kicks) Notre Dame (BCS) Michigan (2) USC (3) Georgia Tech (16) Penn State (25) So as you can see, all three teams have fairly challenging schedules of consistently winning teams, ones which are still ranked this far into the season. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 11-22-06 12:35 AM) |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins Even though I'm (obviously) an OSU fan, I've got to point out that we didn't play Wisconsin this year. |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| d'oh. Must have been looking at Iowa and wrote it down by mistake. | |||
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY! Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6321 days |
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| Young Guru: When I said "games in hand" I meant games that they had yet to play, not games they're gonna win. Beating ND should put them over the top, if you ask me, but it's not a guarantee.
MON: If you check ESPN.com, Pat Forde broke it down much better than I could, and he came out with USC being the best contender. He was also counting Arkansas and Florida, which I forgot. But Arkansas also lost to USC, so if you'd put them in over USC, you'd also have to make the case as to why Michigan doesn't get the same treatment. And Florida just wins games, without being as dominant as Ohio State. They're not going to make up enough ground (nor should they). |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| *sigh*
So did USC make enough of an impression to go to the championship? I honestly thought Notre Dame put up a pretty good fight in spite of the term "beating" that is getting thrown around; and I don't say that in Notre Dame's interest, but rather in USC's. Notre Dame blocked a punt and had two interceptions, scored 3 TDs when they probably should have had more if they had capitalized on defensive plays more. I don't think this will hurt USC b/c one could attribute the breakdown in the Irish's ability to execute to USC itself. USC had the stronger momentum probably 75% of the game. They were able to make big defensive plays and shut down Samardija and McKnight, Brady Quinn's most reliable sources of yardage. So yeah, I think USC will be going to the championship barring an upset with UCLA. As for the Irish, I hope John Carlson recovers in time for a bowl b/c his presence is sorely missed. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| If USC doesn't go to the Championship game (under the assumption that they beat UCLA, because if they don't there will be a legion of ND fans coming to USC to just beat on them for that) I'll be appaulled. I'm no USC fan, far from it, but honestly, Michigan had their chance, they lost, and in my opinion, they never really had a chance of winning. While watching Ohio State v Mich I never thought Michigan was going to win at any point after the second quarter. A lot of people are saying that if Michigan doesn't go to the championship game then there will be a playoff next year, but honestly, look what happened to urban meyer's squad 2 years ago, that provided more incentive for a playoff than what is going on right now.
As for the ND v USC game, I'm frankly appaulled at our recievers. Sure, Samardzija and McKnight had some nice big plays for big yards, but they dropped too many shorter, easier passes for first downs when it was 3rd and 5 (earilly reminded me of T.O. on the Niners, always dropping the easy but necessary passes and looking great on big plays). They made Quinn look much worse than he is, and some analysts have made comments saying Quinn really isn't as great as people make him out to be, but if you listen to any of the coaches and GMs in the NFL, they realize that Brady was dropping all those passes right into their hands, at the numbers, and his recievers just let him down. I'm so pissed, we had so many chances to capitalize and we just pissed it all away. And yes, having Carlson would have been clutch, because he's great over the top for short yardage passes. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| *bangs head*
The possibility of South Carolina vs. Boston College in the Music City Bowl? Lord help me.  That might not even be on TV... |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| None of the projected bowls I've seen have interested me save for the Rose Bowl (UM/ND) and of course, the National Championship. I say we beat SC by 14. | |||
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Haha, I find it funny that by none of the projected bowls being interesting to you, you actually mean that nearly half of the project bowls interest you. But I do agree, I would like to see an ND/Mich Rose bowl, especially because I can just drive down to passedena for the game and parade, that's always one helluva party. | |||
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| When you put it that way, yeah, I guess 2/5 ain't bad.
Course, there're more bowls than just the BCS bowls. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by NSNick For some schools there are, but for others, the standards are set and we don't like to go below that. I'm so glad that we're back to being in contention again, god that was a long drought. |
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Dr_Death16  970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Bowl season is always nice, getting to see matchups that normally wouldn't really come to pass (and with a good bit on the line) makes for pretty good games in many cases. I really want to see a possible Louisville/Florida game if it comes to pass; also, a rematch of ND/Michigan, but the BCS title will certainly be the best of all (still not as good as last year's, though.) And by the way, CFB needs the Plus-One system. Screw this guessing and dividing teams with equal records.  |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruOriginally posted by NSNick Well, I was talking about just spectating. Of course only a BCS bowl is good enough for us. |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| The solution to picking the national champion is a playoff system, just like all other levels of NCAA College football. |
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