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Posted on 11-21-06 06:32 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
I don't want to see any console fail but I hope that the PS3 gives Sony a good reality check. The odds are that they'll have learned their lesson the next time new consoles come around.

Not saying Sony won't win but they're not making it easy on themselves.


I'd love to see the PS3 fail as hard if not harder than PSP. I'd also love to see Blu-ray fail. Competing media formats hurt everybody. One will eventually win, and everyone who got the wrong one is screwed.

Now... Blu-ray might be better than HD-dvd. It holds more data, doesn't it?
But I think Sony's made enough bad decisions lately and pulled enough bullshit... and rushed a launce just to spite Nintendo... that I can't get behind them. If someone has to fail here, it may as well be them. I'd rather it be the x-box... but that's never happening.


There's my very biased opinion. I can't really justify any of it =P


(edited by Kasdarack on 11-21-06 05:32 AM)
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Sony is right on one count. Blu-Ray is the future of digital media, and thus, the future of video games.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo used Blu-Ray technology in their next console (you know, when the drives only cost about $50 instead of $200).

The part Sony doesn't seem to grasp with this concept is the fact that this is the PRESENT, not the FUTURE.
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Posted on 11-21-06 07:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kailieann
Sony is right on one count. Blu-Ray is the future of digital media, and thus, the future of video games.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo used Blu-Ray technology in their next console (you know, when the drives only cost about $50 instead of $200).

The part Sony doesn't seem to grasp with this concept is the fact that this is the PRESENT, not the FUTURE.

Who the hell has a TV that can use the blu-ray...thinamajig. Point is, without it, the graphics are just as good as Xbox, but with worse games. And Wii's graphics ain't that bad. When al TVs are HD or whatever, then the blu-ray will succeed.
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Posted on 11-22-06 12:41 AM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by drjayphd
Which is funnier:

* Someone buying 3 PlayStations for $900
* Someone sells their PlayStation 3... for $9.99

Both are awesome, but I vote the first because the second link is dead.


No it isn't. I just looked.
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Posted on 11-22-06 01:27 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lakithunder
Originally posted by Kailieann
Sony is right on one count. Blu-Ray is the future of digital media, and thus, the future of video games.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo used Blu-Ray technology in their next console (you know, when the drives only cost about $50 instead of $200).

The part Sony doesn't seem to grasp with this concept is the fact that this is the PRESENT, not the FUTURE.

Who the hell has a TV that can use the blu-ray...thinamajig. Point is, without it, the graphics are just as good as Xbox, but with worse games. And Wii's graphics ain't that bad. When al TVs are HD or whatever, then the blu-ray will succeed.



You mean High Definition Television? You mean...hundreds of thousands of people?
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Posted on 11-22-06 02:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by drjayphd
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by drjayphd
Which is funnier:

* Someone buying 3 PlayStations for $900
* Someone sells their PlayStation 3... for $9.99

Both are awesome, but I vote the first because the second link is dead.


No it isn't. I just looked.

Yeah, it's back now.


Anyway, two important points to make here.
1) Nintendo will never use a Sony product in their consoles. That's why N64 was cartridge-based. Playstation was going to be a SNES add-on, but when that fell through, well, you know.
2) Betamax was technically superior to VHS too. Everyone seems to forget that. For that matter pretty much every system to compete against Nintendo, and certainly every handheld (except the cheapo ones you get in dollar stores that just have 42 Tetris variations built in), has been more powerful than Nintendo's.


(edited by HyperHacker on 11-22-06 01:27 AM)
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Posted on 11-22-06 04:32 AM Link | Quote
1) Nintendo will never use a Sony product in their consoles.

Do you mean never AGAIN? B/c the SPC-700 comes to mind .
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Posted on 11-22-06 06:42 AM Link | Quote
And you gotta admit, that the SPC-700 beats most consoles back then soundwise.

And weren't SNES like the most superior console back in the day? Sure Genesis had a clockcycle on it's processor but SNES seems to beat it in general.

Also you have to remember Betamax was being allot more strict than VHS was. And that Betamax tapes couldn't record as much.
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Posted on 11-22-06 08:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ailure
And you gotta admit, that the SPC-700 beats most consoles back then soundwise.

And weren't SNES like the most superior console back in the day? Sure Genesis had a clockcycle on it's processor but SNES seems to beat it in general.


Yes to the first part.

As for the second part, I ran a comparison on it without being biased a while ago. And it's a pretty even playing field, from what I saw. Sound is not as easy on the Genesis, and it is not capable of displaying as many colors as an SNES. On the other hand, the SNES' main CPU is half the speed of the Genesis', and even the Genesis' secondary CPU runs faster than the SNES main processor at startup. When the 65816 (SNES) is in its faster mode it runs the same speed as the secondary Genesis processor! The SPC-700 runs at half the speed of the Genesis' secondary Zilog 80 processor.

They have the same amount of VRAM, but the SNES has more audio ram, and more main work ram. So yeah, there are disadvantages and advantages on either side.
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Posted on 11-22-06 04:42 PM Link | Quote
I just sold my PS3 and Ultimate Alliance for $1200.
A $500 profit isn't bad for a night's waiting.
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Posted on 11-22-06 06:55 PM Link | Quote
Lucky you.

The Sega Master System was more advanced than the NES, I believe. But by that time the NES had gotten such a head start that the SMS couldn't hope to catch up or form an acceptable market share.
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Posted on 11-22-06 08:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
"Rassweiler cited the PlayStation 3’s inclusion of a power supply that packs a whopping 400-watts—yet uses a very compact, low-profile design. At $37.50, this power supply costs about twice as much as an average unit found in a PC."
WTF? I'm guessing these people have never bought a power supply before.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817165007

That's pretty cheap to buy alone. Most people have computers that were put together for them by companies such as Dell, who get PSUs for even less by buying them in bulk. We are talking about manufacturing costs, after all.
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Posted on 11-22-06 09:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kasdarack
I just sold my PS3 and Ultimate Alliance for $1200.
A $500 profit isn't bad for a night's waiting.

Holy....
Damn. Shoulda stood in that line when it was empty. Like a week before it launched...
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Posted on 11-22-06 11:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Lucky you.

The Sega Master System was more advanced than the NES, I believe. But by that time the NES had gotten such a head start that the SMS couldn't hope to catch up or form an acceptable market share.


Except in Brazil, where Master Systems were actually produced into this decade. No, I'm not kidding. (EDIT: If Wikipedia is to be believed, it's actually STILL being produced in some form even today.)

Anyway, the problem I see with Sony's strategy here is that they're trying to turn the PS3 into some magical all-in-one device as opposed to just a gaming system. That's all well and good, but such strategy has generally not worked well in the past (See the N-Gage, which tried to beat the mighty Game Boy by serving approximately 87 different functions, and doing none of them well). Plus, there's not yet the critical mass necessary for the Blu-Ray portion of it to be an atttractive feature to the general public; there's no guarantee that Blu-Ray will even be the prevailing hi-def or whatever technology. That it'll be in the PS3 helps, I guess, but will people with a PS3 even remember this when the battle begins in earnest?


(edited by Emptyeye on 11-23-06 12:47 PM)
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Posted on 11-22-06 11:51 PM Link | Quote
I think that also had a lot to do with the Brazilian economy. What's easier; buying a SMS for an acceptable price or a next-gen console for an extravagant amount?

Wasn't the N-Gage laughed off even BEFORE release? I don't think any analysts said it would take any market share from the GBA.
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Posted on 11-23-06 01:49 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Wasn't the N-Gage laughed off even BEFORE release? I don't think any analysts said it would take any market share from the GBA.


I think just about everyone knew that the taco^H^H^H^H^H N-Gage would fail miserably.

Yes, everyone laughed it off.
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Posted on 11-23-06 04:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
1) Nintendo will never use a Sony product in their consoles.

Do you mean never AGAIN? B/c the SPC-700 comes to mind .

I didn't say "has never". The idea that PSX was intended as a SNES addon implies that Nintendo got along with Sony just fine before that, and obviously the SNES had to be made before that.

Originally posted by Zidane
Originally posted by HyperHacker
"Rassweiler cited the PlayStation 3’s inclusion of a power supply that packs a whopping 400-watts—yet uses a very compact, low-profile design. At $37.50, this power supply costs about twice as much as an average unit found in a PC."
WTF? I'm guessing these people have never bought a power supply before.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817165007

That's pretty cheap to buy alone. Most people have computers that were put together for them by companies such as Dell, who get PSUs for even less by buying them in bulk. We are talking about manufacturing costs, after all.

Well that's Newegg. They have good prices. Most places don't.
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Posted on 11-23-06 02:27 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination

You mean High Definition Television? You mean...hundreds of thousands of people?


...In America, where the HDTV has the largest market. That's only a 20% market share, and everywhere else is only gets lower. Sony has to sell around 50 million consoles to be dominant in the market, and the vast majority currently don't have HDTVs Will this factor sell Bravia TVs though? Makes for some interesting thinking...



Originally posted by Ailure

And weren't SNES like the most superior console back in the day? Sure Genesis had a clockcycle on it's processor but SNES seems to beat it in general.


The SNES lost a lot of the market that it won to a very strong Sega, though. Sega was a clear winner in Europe, a very significant market that matured a lot during the 16 Bit era. Sega also made big inroads in America, too.
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Electronics is a constantly growing market. As these things come down in price then they go up in numbers. This is anticipatory rather than anything. There is not a hint of interest in how to think on this. Sony was hoping to sell a lot of PS3s (shot itself in the foot there) which would generate more interest in HD television (of which it holds many patents). But, that said...In America. Where people are more apt to spend money on these things. Hence you'd focus on that market and the tastes of that market...And you know, tech-saavy Japan. But, that said that 20% is a fucking big market share. And to pass over a clique is pretty god damned stupid in business terms when that clique loves pumping money into anything. I mean, would Nintendo pass over children because it is a proportionally smaller demographic/market/has less ability in raw purchase power? No, because that is an exploitable market that it has good raport with.

Don't fuck up what you're good at. Sony, however, stumbled when it was put into a position where it didn't know what to do.
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Posted on 11-23-06 03:32 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra
The SNES lost a lot of the market that it won to a very strong Sega, though. Sega was a clear winner in Europe, a very significant market that matured a lot during the 16 Bit era. Sega also made big inroads in America, too.
I don't recall the genesis being that strong of a console in Sweden, although it hardly failed. I mostly remember seeing SNES stuff back in the day.

Nokia is good at alot of things. They make almost anything according to my grandma who have finnish orgin, things such as toilet paper apparently... but it seems like they had no idea with the N-Gage or had a really skewed image of the target group.
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