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Kyoufu Kawa Intends to keep Rom Hacking in one piece until the end                    Since: 11-18-05 From: Catgirl Central Station Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon   Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| I can firmly attest that you cannot participate in this conversation if you have never tried it. You have no idea of it, and nothing to base your absurd claims on. It is more a detriment to society to keep this drug criminalized. So many people get busted for something that is honestly not even as bad as alcohol. (see: liver disease, alcohol blood poisoning, vomiting, violence and diabetes). A ridiculous number of people participate in this activity, I'd say well over half of all Americans. We wouldn't have illegal drug smuggling, or as many drug related deaths, mob hits.. and if the government regulated it's usage there'd be no risk of picking up something that's laced and possibly actually harmful. We are not the minority, and should not be treated as second class, lowlife citizens. We shouldn't feel bad about it, and we shouldn't have to hide our shame from the world. It's absolutely absurd.
If you want to see how I feel about how people who never tried it.. talking about it like they know.. see the movie "Reefer Madness." It's a movie made in the 30s.. and think of it as the first anti-drug commercial. The opening text is this: "The motion picture you are about to witness may startle you. It would not have been possible, otherwise, to sufficently emphasize the frightful toll of the new drug menace which is destroying the youth of America in alarmingly increasing numbers. Marihuana is that drug - a violent narcotic - an unspeakable scourge - The Real Public Enemy Number One!" Oh yeah... watch out for those crazy kids running off to Wendy's and buying out all the visine at the local CVS. That's the real public enemy number one!! Watch out! And people who are addicted to really really harmful drugs shouldn't be treated like criminals. Who's honestly going to get off of crack in prison? They should be checked into a hospital, nursed back to good health and go through intensive rehab. This idea that people who are addicted to harmful drugs are criminals... is ridiculous. They have a dependancy problem, a severely addiction prone additude and they need help not handcuffs. They need to be shown how to make a better life for themselves, so that harmful activities don't become second nature. Most drug abusers are poor or vagrant. If we helped these people instead of having a policy that denies them housing, welfare and healthcare... America would be safer. Obviously things like crack and such should remain illegal, as they are actually harmful... but when an addict is found he or she shouldn't be handcuffed by a cop and thrown into jail... they need to be helped. Jesus would help them. (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 12:21 PM) (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 12:21 PM) (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 12:22 PM) |
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Dr_Death16   970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Snow TomatoWrong. I've never done this shit (yes, shit) but I've had a plethora of experience with it. Try family, friends, ENTIRE COMMUNITY even. I know plenty about marijuana use because I've witnessed it make otherwise rational people into complete and pathetic fools with no future. First of all, its not about getting high when little stupid 14 year old kids get their hands on a dime bag; its about doing what's wrong according to others and breaking the norm, which is considered "cool". And then kids fail to realize that when they are caught or ruin their own lives, they have no one but themselves to blame. Staying off drugs is, frankly, a whole lot more intelligent of a decision, and I made that decision long ago, despite one of my parents dealing with alcoholism and both at many times, dealing with nicotine addictions. Understand, that its not the "doing drugs" that is the cause of all these problems that you're trying to pin it on; its about humanity's obsession with doing wrong and breaking the norm while doing irrational things. If drugs did not exist, we would still have problems in society EXTREMELY similar to the ones you are describing, except it would stem from something different and equally irrational. It is not any kind of "addictive personality" that causes these things, nor poverty, or curiosity as some kids so stupidly put it. It is deep in human nature to do a lot of stupid shit. That doesn't mean people who destroy themselves by doing these irrational things deserve respect, they make a choice to do it, and I for one, have no pity when a drug dealer gets thrown in jail. My problem with drug use isn't that other people do it; do whatever the hell you want on your own time, in your own home. But when a fucked up junkie, alcoholic, etc. gets in a car or gets a knife or gun in their hand, they become one of the most threatening things on my life and my loved ones' lives that exist in the world. And when that happens, do I think they need help from a hospital? Hell no. They need to be thrown in prison for their deeds and decisions that led them to that point. I have no pity on drug users for this reason, that they endanger lives OTHER THAN THEIR OWN. |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| You're assuming a number of things in your arguement.
1. Drugs will definitely, without doubt, destroy your entire life. 2. That I was talking about Drug Dealers. Drug Dealers and users are completely different. I'm talking about a system where there would be no need for Drug Dealers and the violent crimes they do commit. I'm talking about a system in which the government controls the drugs. It would be far less dangerous. 3. That all people who do drugs want to destroy their lives. 4. That drugs, not guns.. are the problem. There's a big difference between a person who casually smokes pot for fun, and a person who is addicted to heroine. All drug users cannot be lumped into the same pile. Just as tylonol differs from oxycontin. Marijuana differs from cocaine. And I think if you're so vehemently opposed to someone who's high getting their hands on a gun, you should look to seek stronger gun control laws. You should also consider that a majority of killings, shootings, murders etc. happen when the murderer is sober. We have the highest number of gun related deaths in the entire world. Roughly 11,000 per year. When in the Netherlands, where the government has sanctioned that drugs are legal.. the ratio of the number of gun relation deaths is much, much lower. Europe is far less involved with the "war on drugs", and their gun related deaths are thousands below ours. It's a separate issue completely. I'm saying there is absolutely no correlation between gun related homicides, stabbings, murders and drug usage. You can argue that a majority of violent crimes happen in poor areas, with high drug usage. I would argue that this is because of the shitty way we treat the poor. You are a criminal the same if you stab someone, as if you smoke pot. So, why not act like a criminal? It's that same reactionary, authoritative, vindictive additude that causes people to lash out. When people are down on their luck they do one of two things. They struggle to make themselves better. Or they don't struggle and play the role that society's given them. What we have in America is a poor class of people that we refuse to aknowledge and help. It would be safer for America if we cleaned up the slums and let everyone have afforable, nice housing. Because that's where a majority of these violent crimes you're talking about occur. It'd be better for America if we admitted that not everyone is responsible for themselves. Not everyone can be expected to make the right choices all of the time. We need to help these people, not punish them. Maybe take them off the streets, for sure, but not punish them in the way prison does. Prison creates criminals. Almost everyone who goes to prison... winds up back there. Have you ever wondered why that happens? The system we have creates more problems than it solves. If we just admitted we had problems and dealt with them rationally... we'd make society safer. I'm not trying to argue that all people who break the law should be coddled and let off the hook. I'm saying they need intensive care and conseling which doesn't punish them and encourages positive change. I can tell you right now that when you tell someone "What you did is wrong. So we're sending you to jail, a horrible place where all the wrong people go."... they'll continue to be wrong... because.. that is what they are. I know this because of first hand experiences, not my own.. but of people I know who have gone to jail.. and people I know who have had some really hard times. But, getting back to the subject of drug use. There's one point I didn't address. Because you smoke pot doesn't mean you're throwing away your whole future. Take me for example. I enjoy it as a party enhancer, it's a fun time for me. I don't have to be on it to have fun.. because if I did.. I'd need it everyday.. and that's certainly not the case. I maintain well over a 90 average in school, and it looks like I'm going to have a bright future ahead of me. I'm clearly intelligent, not a genious... but I'm certainly not the traditional "pothead, stoner, degenerate" stereotype.. I participate in extracirricular activities, I have a job and I'm a productive member of society. Not all people abuse drugs. Not all people are ruining their lives because they smoke up.. not all people smoke because they have an innate urge to "go down the wrong path". Just as guns are legal for those who use them responsibly. Marijuana should be legal for those who use it responsibly. People are going to use both guns and marijuana irresponsibly anyway, whether they're legal or illegal... but it's extremely immoral and extremely irrational to punish the people who use it responsibly. (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 02:27 PM) (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 02:29 PM) |
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Tommathy Since: 11-17-05 From: Cloud Nine, Turn Left and I'm There~ Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Snow TomatoOkay, you fail to realize what rationality means. Rationality is whereas a person lives where their marginal benefit exceeds marginal cost. What is the marginal benefit of you toking it up with your buddies, eh? Oh, a little bit of mind alteration that is only needed by those too weak to accept life and reality as it actually exists. Marginal cost? Let's see. Possible jailtime just for having marijuana, for one; societal rejection, likely; addiction, which may lead to a loss of a future, the harm of another person, or the loss of your own LIFE. Which is supposed to be the most important thing we have. So, no. I don't accept your pointless dribble about how people only do it for fun. The risks you incur by doing this and the lack of real benefit makes your actions irrational, no matter how much you think you smoke. Again, I could care less about people doing it in their own home. But if I, first, have to deal with idiots who are high on the street, I'll be bothered; if some fool gets high and can't control himself when he harms another person or myself; that's even a step further. Originally posted by Snow TomatoNow, the point flew by you. Right over your head. It's not just guns that can be used to kill me by some fool high on drugs or drunk. There's cars, should we control those, too? Perhaps you'd like to enact knife control legislation? No, this part of your post doesn't relate at all to anything I said. Originally posted by Snow TomatoAlcohol is a drug. So, you're saying that alcohol abuse is not directly related to the amount of drunken driving MURDERS each year? You're right, no relation at all there. Gee, if some guy is high and seeing flowers where people should be, and he can't remember where he was this morning, that makes him completely able to drive and think logically, right? He wouldn't be dangerous AT ALL. Please. Originally posted by Snow TomatoAmerica is a capitalist nation. Get over it, because nobody's going to change that in short time. This is not communism, not everyone can have housing and heat and all necessities provided for them; and if I'm an American middle-class worker, I sure as hell am not going to fork over my tax dollars that I worked hard for just so someone who doesn't even try at life can have something they don't deserve. The poor who work hard are almost guaranteed at least a slightly better life than the one their effortless peers have. Originally posted by Snow TomatoNothing is absolute. I already realize that. Why take the chance, for such little gain? Would you have unprotected sex with a lot of man-whores? Essentially, that's what you're doing; giving up the possibility of extreme loss for such a little bit of pleasure (of which confounds me to no end... ZOMG I'M HALLUCINATING is fun? Not really. The fun part is that little feeling in your mind, isn't it? That feeling of how you're doing something "wrong" instead of "right"? How you're defying all you've learned and rationally know is correct? Orgasmic, I'm sure.)By the way, concerning that stereotype of "pothead, stoner, etc."... why do you think that stereotype exists for drug users? What would make people think that way? Most stereotypes are based on some sort of correlation. In this case, there's a nice little correlation between marijuana users and a lack of success in society. Whether you like it or not, you're opening yourself up to irrational risk for such pathetically small gain each time you roll that joint or pull out the bong. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| ...You do realize that the US has lower social mobility than the Scandinavian nations? I mean, capitalism is great and all. I love it. Woo, free market. But seriously, do you actually believe the ideological grounds that ANYONE who works hard in a nation that is capitalist can make it? But that is an aside.
Seriously, tell me...what do you know about marijuana DD16? I mean, I'm looking at the facts here...and it is pointing to very little. Hallucinations? To reach that you'd need unbelievably high doses and and unbelievably low body tolerance (which usually results in the person falling asleep or vomiting before hallucinating). I'm looking through your post and I'm looking at the words of someone who has a vendetta against pot because mommy and daddy sat them down to watch Devil's Harvest or something. But then again, I don't look down at pot heads. Many of the most successful people I know in life enjoy marijuana...and I'd mention some names...but I think we all love and <3 anonymity. |
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Danielle  6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Please correct me if I'm wrong ziff, but this is exactly the opposite of what I've heard from people I know that so smoke up. They rant and rave about how fantastic the experience is, the hallucinations, the dreams you get when you fall asleep, the feeling of being weightless... it's not one person I hear this from, it's quite a bit. From what I understand, there are varying degrees of strength in pot, perhaps that plays a role? I agree with Dr. Death on nearly all his arguments, and I can tell you with complete honesty that my parents didn't influence my decision to not do drugs at all. I can't speak for Dr Death, but I disagree with your statement about mommy and daddy forcing him to watch biased propaganda. I personally think that life is plenty enjoyable enough without drugs and alcohol, and that is why I don't condone the use of pot (or any abusive drug, for that matter). |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationNow, now, first off, it is quite obvious from my own words (had you read carefully  ) that my environment growing up was conducive to DOING drugs, not avoiding them and making a rational decision; so, on that point, you're very off base. Nice try. Second, elaborating on my first point, I had a large group of "friends" as a youngster who liked smoking quite a bit of marijuana on a regular basis. These "friends", like most kids, liked to brag about their experiences with others. Hallucinations were almost always a feature of their discussions, and although I'm sure exaggerations were abound, hallucinations are a premier effect on the brain from hallucinogens like marijuana. You seem too interested in making rash, illogical assumptions of what I'm thinking to actually make a valid point, although the commentary that I didn't quote was basically correct. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Yeah, that's true. Your life is plenty fine. You don't need to do drugs or drink. In fact, my life is fan-fucking-tastic. I'm not lying. Probably 1000x times better than most people's lives. That's no word of a lie, either. I don't need to smoke pot. Hell, I've smoked pot MAYBE 4 times in the entire past year and a half. It just pops up and is at that party with your homies. Why not have a hit from the bong and have a good laugh? Meh, my choice. As for alcohol...nothing like a piping hot glass of vinterbier at the fireplace, or some eggnog at the Christmas Ball. 
As for your friends. I've grown up in an area where I think I had...2 friends who never did pot. I live with 3 people that smoke marijuana regularly. Last year I hung around with students that smoked it all the time. No one ever got hallucinations. And the weed that we smoke up this way is pretty much the most awesome stuff available in our area. I had smoked marijuana since I was 12. I never once hallucinated. I'm going to trust about 8 years of collected personal experience and probably the testimonials of my friends, their parents (all of whom are considerably more successful than most here shall ever be) and other people that I've known for that sum of 20 years. Not to mention the fact that for a year I was pretty active in the cannabis community. Nobody has ever really spoken of hallucinations. Is it possible your friends are doing laced marijuana (pretty rare), salvia divinorum (rarer still in some areas of the states), or another drug and mistaking it for marijuana? "I disagree with your statement about mommy and daddy forcing him to watch biased propaganda." - That's what his words sound like, though. A subtle rehash of the hilarious 1930s-50s anti-marijuana propoganda that has bubbled up through the ages in the constant stream of misinformation passed on the public by a government that is ideologically driven to attack the problem of drugs rather than trying to deal with it in a reasonable way. But again, I'm probably sounding like some crazed druggy hippy right now and I'll just pull away at this point. But then again, I don't think you'd know Danielle because I talk to you once in a blue moon on friendly terms, you know - people are sometimes more than they seem. edit: wow, way to defend with a post-haste argument that discredits all you said and chalks up one of your primary arguments to a "childhood exaggeration". If you're going to try to attack something, don't dodge with such illogical measures. I'm sick of arguing with kids like this. There is a total of two contributed drops in the idea bucket from that side of the room. I think I'm just going to stick to the debate team and save some time I can toss at my essays. (edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 11-12-06 03:35 PM) |
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NintendoFB Coney Since: 11-02-06 From: Florida, US Last post: 6358 days Last view: 6358 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Yes, you are. Thing is that Marijuana is frowned upon because of it's bad history. I personally won't smoke or do drugs, but just because somebody makes that choice doesn't mean their life is going to be better or worse, it's what you make of your life. I mean, one of my best friends seems like he's high all the time, and I'm sure most people suspect him of doing drugs, and he doesn't. As I'm sure I could've pointed out a person who smokes weed regularly and can't tell the difference between someone who doesn't. The way Plus Sign Abomination made it seem was that because Dr.Death doesn't smoke, he doesn't live a good quality life. |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationMarijuana is a hallucinogen by classification. Originally posted by DictionaryYou insist that nothing like this happens while smoking marijuana? No sensations that don't exist outside the mind? Okay, whatever you say. Everybody's wrong, except you. Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationWhatever I may sound like, I don't think it was necessary to attack my past which you have no information about (except that which I've given, which, perchance, goes against your entire personal attack), especially concerning how my parents raised me. Using a bitter and cutting tone doesn't make you sound any more credible. Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationI was being realistic. Kids exaggerate, I'm sure you know that. I don't see the discrediting, and I was merely pointing out the truth, however, as Dani pointed out, all kids wouldn't exaggerate the same about these hallucinations they've had. It wouldn't make much sense to exaggerate such a large amount, so obviously, the kids had experiences like these of some sort, although maybe not as incredible as they make it seem. Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination  ... Dude... you've got about a year of life experience on me and I become a "kid"?... You have a problem with taking other people's opinions or what? I respect your side of the argument, man. I know I get emotional a bit just like the next person, but I feel like you're not giving me any respect for my views. But, whatever, have a nice day, old fart.  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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I actually wasn't addressing you  Believe it or not. I refer to anyone, older or younger, as kid. I respect your side of the argument, I just rarely come off as sounding respectful. Hell, in real . But I'm actually used to having about a 12 inch stack of papers in front of me and having someone sitting across the way with an equally high stack of paper duking it out on those grounds.
On the terms of it, a hallucination is usually used to make sense of the psychadelic experience granted by certain chemicals (psilocybin, for instance). Pot doesn't cause hallucinations, although it does cause a plethora of sensations
Now, NintendoFB. You just made me go LOL. My post was that I lead a fucking awesome life, regardless of doing drugs. I spend my days rocking out across campus with no mercy. Regardless of pot or a bottle of Colt 45. And that tonnes of other folk lead rocktacular lives regardless of smoking pot or popping pills or cranking or whatever. |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| The bad history marijuana has? ...and that would be?
Keeping McDonald's in bussiness since it's conception? Providing a base market for visine "real tears"? Making the burrito a national sensation? I don't understand. What horrible history has marijuana had? Maybe someone could clear it up for me. And what's the chance for such little gain? Do you condone the illegalization of gambling? I don't understand that arguement either. It's my money, my body and my time and I'll spend it my way as long as I'm not seriously injuring others or myself. Marijuana... really doesn't have a great effect on it's users. And you say "I don't mind what people do in the privacy of their own homes."... Me either. I don't think all the world should go nuts and take to the streets in a giant blunt smoking celebration. I think we should legally be able to smoke it in our own homes, and when we have a bag on us not have to worry about search, seizure and jailtime. Just as you're not allowed to drink on the streets. There'd be like... weed bars as well as alcohol bars. I mean what the big deal here? Is it such a ridiculous thing to consider? What's the legal difference between being drunk and being high on mary jane? I don't get it. Being drunk is far more dangerous for your health, and society. I'm not saying illegalize it.. because you can drink responsibly.. but you can also smoke responsibly. Example: Don't smoke and drive. And no hallucinations. Things become enhanced. Food tastes better. Your body feels... strange. But it's no different than drinking. You have more control on mary jane... you never have periods where you black out and don't remember anything, and you'll never smoke yourself to the point of death... ever. You'll never wake up next to some stranger and go "holy explicative". Just remember that everyone who smokes isn't a degenerate, and certainly not a criminal. They only criminal act I've ever committed would be smoking weed. Does that make me a dangerous criminal who deserves to be in jail? No. I'm still a productive, successful member of society. It's not fair that I could be arrested one day and have my whole future messed up because I smoke every once in a while. It's not right. The law isn't written about what's "wrong" and what's "right". The law is written in the best interests of society. And I firmly believe that the legalization of marijuana is in the best interests of society. And all the things I said about how we treat the poor is true. We have a system where the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich and the middle class stays middle class. There is very little oppurtunity for social mobilization. And we treat the poor like crap. It's in the best interests of our society to start treating the poor better, help clean up the ghetto's and provide sensible housing and jobs for the poor. If you don't want to worry about crime, that's how you would go about eliminating it. Eliminate the need to steal. Most European countries, and Canada have realized this and their crime rates are much lower for it. (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 04:33 PM) (edited by Snow Tomato on 11-12-06 04:34 PM) |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Well, it doesn't make much sense about the different stories I've heard vs your stories/experiences, ziff. While I don't know the details about what exactly the people I know smoke, I'm doubtful that it's not marijuana. Otherwise, I'm positive I'd have heard the different names, and a full explanation of how said substance is different from regular old pot. These kids love to talk.
That's not to say that I'd be for pot if it weren't for these people sharing their experiences with me, it's just one of the many reasons why I don't, and will never condone the use of it. I'm not gonna go break down your door and scold you if you do smoke it, I just don't understand why. To each his own, I suppose, but it's a waste of time to try and make me think differently about the subject. And just to be clear, I don't automatically dislike someone because they smoke. I know ziff is an awesome guy as well as I know he likes to drink and occasionally smoke up. What makes me angry is when people defend pot by saying it's a harmless drug, etc. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I'm gonna say that pot would very very rarely give somebody hallucinations by itself. I don't know anyone who has hallucinated from pot (and I know LOTS of pot smokers -- I live in fricken Adelaide -- LOTS of people here smoke or grow it.
However, with all the chemicals that are used to grow pot nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me if people get unexpected side effects from that. It's getting rarer and rarer to get weed that is just weed... it's usually weed + a whole bunch of wacky hydroponic chemicals. And it certainly wouldn't surprise me if some of those chemicals cause a hallucination in some people who are sensitive to it. |
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Toxic 250 TOX4ADMIN  Since: 11-17-05 From: I'm keeping a list. Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I never smoked pot for 16 years, and I had the mindset that I'd automagically become some social deviant if I did.
Then I smoked pot, and gasp...I was still a human. There was no harm inflicted on me and my well being. My grades didn't suffer, and I got into my first choice school. I find it rediculous that people can make claims about the effects of marijuana without ever trying it, because that's where I came from. Those stupid anti-drug commercials that I thought were so righteous are now just funny to watch at how blatantly they lie about pot. |
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Silvershield 580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Snow Tomato Originally posted by Snow Tomato Originally posted by Snow TomatoYeah, I love the idea of throwing my tax dollars at a group of irresponsible, self-interested degenerates who ruined their own lives by willfully, intentionally turning to a harmful substance. That idea really appeals to me. I'd gladly pour money into helping those poor people who are making honest efforts to better themselves, but I would not be alright with paying for every crackhead's hospital visit, rehabilitation efforts, and God knows what else. Sorry. |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by Snow Tomato Really? Because... you're kinda paying for their incarceration right now. So you're kinda throwing your tax dollars at them already. 
As I'm told ALL the kids are saying, decriminalize, y0. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by drjayphdI'm more than willing to fund any criminal's jailtime. What I'm not willing to fund is the coddling of such people through rehabilitation and treatment that is free to them. Hey, I might as well get addicted to crack too, because it would be free for me to be treated for that habit if I ever decided I wanted to quit. |
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