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Griff Morivan  190                    Since: 06-10-06 From: St. Petersburg, Florida. Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Okay. It's fairly obvious to some of us that these games don't always add up. Take a look.
In Mario 1, Bowser was killed, along with seven other Bowsers. How is this possible? Simple. The other Bowsers were not Bowser. Even he can't die 8 times. No, the other seven are infact the Koopa Kids all grown up and stuff. But then, where does this madness begin? Why, where else? Donkey Kong - Back in the day, before Mario attended Colonel Fungi Academy and became a plummer, he was, for a short while going through a bit of an identity crisis, and went by a mysterious and kinda dumb name, "Jump Man", and practiced carpentry (both of Nintendo's original ideas for Mario.) One day, he hears about some crazed Gorilla running through the streets and just before Jump Man arrives to stop the monster, it grabs a woman and climbs onto a building in progress and starts wrecking the place! ((Technically, SMB2, the Doki Doki Panic rahash could go here, and it all winds up being a dream of Mario's. A preminition of sorts.)) What next, you say? Well, after taking a few years off, Mario Bros. took place where Mario was working a part time job as a plummer's assistant. With an accidental occurance, Mario fell into a well and wound up fighting not only a hoard of monsters never before seen in this world, but a long, lost brother! After what would appear to be hours upon hours of battle, the two scaled the tunnels and made their way to the surface. But unfortunately, the world was no longer safe from darkness, as the brothers unknowingly broke a gate locking the two worlds apart. The Human, and the Monster worlds. For the time being, Mario would lose contact with his brother, having come out of seperate places of the tunnels. From here, Mario would travel on an meet a nice young woman named Daisy. However, it was not long before Daisy was kidnapped by an alien and Mario went to her rescue in Super Mario Land. After successfully saving the girl, Mario is dumped, because "This kind of thing is too weird..." After this, Mario reunites with his brother and meets a princess, and the three spend a great deal of time together. That is not, however, to say all is good in the world. The break in the monster world allows a single great Turtle Monster and his children to leak free. They cast a spell over Yoshi Island and capture the princess. Mario and Luigi make haste to put the world back together and clear a path to find this mysterious "Bowser". Now, I know what you're probably thinking on this one. Why is this before SMB3. Well, that is pretty easy to explain. See, in SMW, the Koopa Kids had three, maybe four routines they shared among the seven, and Bowser himself lacked fire power (or appearently a driver's liscense...) and had to resort to the wind up toys. After defeating Bowser, the brothers went off to see the world as it was meant to be once again. However, having only made it back from their travels do they see a fleet of airships, having just kidnapped the princess, and very drastically altering the rulers of each province. Here, the Koopa Kids have become stronger, all mastering the koopa spin, and all having new kinds of magical powers. Likewise, their father, Lord Bowser, mastered a new kind of power. Spitting flames from his throat. But this made him no match for the crafty Mario. It was a long time before Mario or anyone else heard from the 'destroyed' Bowser until one day, Mario went to visit his now lover, Princess Peach Toadstool. When he arrives, however, something is off, and entering the castle, Mario discovers that the Princess was captured and locked in the highest tower of the castle! Here, Bowser somehow made himself many times bigger with more planning rather than blatent attacks on the kingdom. All other games in the series... well. That's up for debate. Discuss. |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom   Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6318 days Last view: 6318 days |
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| General Gaming, anyone?
Anyway, I don't think there's really a Mario timeline. They're just a bunch of random experiences. |
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Kirbynite Phan Phan  I'm sick of being bogged down by homework!!  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Yeah, I'm kicking this over to General Gaming.
I'm a bit busy to be saying much on what I had just read, but it seems to me like a bunch of ridiculousness born from boredom  (edited by Kirbynite on 10-20-06 02:34 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| One, you have way too much time on your hands. XD
Two, the theory's destroyed when you kill any of the fake Bowsers with fireballs. They're all normal enemies disguised as Bowser. |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by Griff Morivan Going to stop you there. The DK timeline, while Nintendo and Rare have combined efforts to break that eight times over, still holds true in its roots, and only really gets cloudy around the time of the DKC series (and, in reality, recent controversy between Nintendo just spewing random crap on the Super Smash Brother's trophy) Believe it or not, Mario wasn't always such a nice guy. Jumpman was a carpenter, and DK was his pet. In reality, he treated DK like monkey poop. DK manages to escape, and kidnaps Pauline in a fit of rage. Obviously we know how the story ends. DK is, for all intents and purposes, the first DK, the original, who we'll see becomes Cranky Kong. DK Jr. was the next game, where DK Jr. is his kid. Jumpman has put DK in a cage and is taking him in to the woods to shoot him, DK Jr. tries to save him. The third game, DK just breaks in to Stanely's greenhouse and acts like a jerk. In DKC, Cranky remenisces about being the original DK. The DK of that game is his grandson. Therefor, its safe to assume that he is the son of DK Jr. Now Nintendo has managed to break this by decidedly changing/making up things, specifically in the trophy descriptions for SSBM (which were not at always historically accurate in the first place..) Anyway. Yeah. You were wrongish ._. Originally posted by Griff Morivan Actualy, it is safe to say this isn't even a cannon part of the Mario timeline, being as it was a "hacked" version of DDP released in to US markets. Even if it were, the concept is so ambiguous that it could have taken place at any time, being a dream and all--think Link's Awakening. (and for those of you who are going to get all preachy about the Zelda timeline on me, we're not going there ._.) The real SMB2 is what Americans know as the Lost Levels (NOT the PC-8801 game Mario Special, let's never speak of that .__.) and presumably occurs within the time frame of the original SMB. Originally posted by Griff Morivan Long lost? Asside from him appearing in SMB2/DDP which you mentioned, as well as him appearing in both the original SMB and SMB2, Luigi made his debut even long before in the classic Mario Bros. game. Hardly long lost 
And human and monster worlds? If you mean the mushroom kingdom, it never overlaps. We see no reference to any of Mario's homeland outside of the original Donkey Kong games (which, while clearly not in the Mushroom Kingdom, is debateable as to where the actual location may be. Its safe to assume it IS in the "real world", however) Originally posted by Griff Morivan This game I personally don't consider cannon, simply because the entire Mario Land series conflicts with a number of things. For one, it is clearly not located in the Mushroom Kingdom. Also, Mario's alleged castle from SML2 is never seen again. The games were also not made by Shigeru Miyamotto which may show their lack of consistancy. If anything, Wario and Daisy are the only two reoccurring elemnts of the series. Now, after Wario's failure in SML2, he goes to persue Kitchen Island for his treasures, and what not. It's safe to assume that Kitchen Island is located within Mario Land, the name of the world in SML2. Whether Mario Land is located within Sarasaland, WHY Mario has a continent of his own we never see or even really hear about again, and how Wario, lacking any other explanation as to his whereabouts, currently still resides within Mario Land (his castle isn't on Kitchen Island, though Wario has his own timeline inconsistancies I won't even begin to touch ._.) is unknown to me. Originally posted by Griff Morivan I'm a bit perplexed as to why you would consider SMW as Mario's first encounter with the princess, when it clearly...isn't. Also, being as this ties in with your break in the monster world "leaking free", you're basically saying Yoshi's Island is in the real world. Which it isn't. Nope. Though I'm sure we'd all be just a little curious as to how the existance of an Island who's main exports are stilts, penguins, and watermellons came in to existance out of no where, I can safely say we don't need to worry about this. Originally posted by Griff Morivan Well, you were bound to get something right
Originally posted by Griff Morivan Wait....whaaat? How does that explain anything? Resorting to using Mecha Koopas and the Koopa Kids posessing similar behavioral patterns does what for chronology. Oh. And as to him not having a driver's liscense? Mario. Kart. 
Originally posted by Griff Morivan New power? He shot fire in SMB/SMB2J also.... and besides, SMB3 took place in the Mushroom World, not the Mushroom Kingdom (presumably a location within), where they took over the wands of the kingdoms of that land. Originally posted by Griff Morivan This isn't really wrong so much as it dosn't capture the SM64 storyline too well, but I won't bother. Originally posted by Griff Morivan They aren't really cannon and if I havn't covered them, chances are they don't fit in much of anywhere. Well, I hate to sound like one of those gamer freaks who obsess over historical accuracy and timeline things (nothing bugs me more than a Zelda fanboy ranting about a timline consistancy, believe me), but this post just bugged me. There's a difference between getting the story wrong and making up things to explain what's alredy explained over gaming history (edited by Yoronosuku on 10-20-06 06:04 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| NOT the PC-8801 game Mario Special, let's never speak of that
I remember trying that through emulation... considering the limitations, it's not THAT horrible. (But not "good" either.) |
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GeckoYamori Koopa  Since: 11-25-05 Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Here's an idea: All the bowser in SMB1 were the real deal and he didn't die when he fell into the lava, because it's a very light-hearted series that doesn't need to be taken so bloody seriously. | |||
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| er, actually, Gecko, the "normal enemy in disguise" thing makes more sense there, for the first seven, as Colin said.
Haven't you ever killed them with fireballs? |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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I'm sure there's people who've played the game before and don't even know that basic information. 
I mean, it's not that hard to make it to Bowser at the end of 1-4 with a Fire Flower. |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Getting there with a Fire Flower is easy, sure. Actually trying to hit Bowser with multiple fireballs might not occur to them, however. He's the only enemy that takes multiple fireballs to kill (Except for those like Buzzy Beetles that can't be fireballed at all) | |||
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| I remember trying to kill Buzzy Beetle when I was younger. Must have used about 70 or 80 fireballs before I finally gave up.
Hey, that's the beauty of games sometimes; experimentation. |
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Someguy Tooky Since: 11-17-05 From: West Virginia-USA Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| The game Donkey Kong for the Gameboy features Mario in many real world environments, including the original location of the DK games, but features a DK with a tie AND DK Jr.. It also has Mario 'return' to the Mushroom Kingdom style area, where he gets a mushroom out of a ? box and turns to normal size, and he takes a happy picture with DK and DK Jr. and all. That means Mario doesn't cage up DK and go out and shoot him, so it must be the modern DK right? But he has a DK Jr.! Could this be the father of DKC DK? I also think that SML can be fit into the Mario timeline, as it has somewhat realish worlds with strange monsters, like the arcade games and such. I guess that it takes place before or around those times. SML2 understandably is weird as Mario does seem to own his own continent and castle. This game is a mix between the arcade/SML real style and the SMB style, as there are several SMW enemies in an obvious attempt to theme SML2 after SMW, as SML was themed after SMB1/2(j), yet at the same time the areas are non Mario style, and the original enemies too are strange in comparision, much simpler and perhaps even more childlike, with cannon pigs and giant ants. I'm not sure how many people would of went through the line with the enemy design, maybe Gunpei Yokoi wasn't too good with other people's work?(The SMW universe) I never want to sound down on him but I don't know what else to say about the SML games as they clearly have a different style, so I do understand the whole no continuity idea. | |||
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| If I could? There are references in the Mario RPGs that out and out tell you that Bowser kidnaps Peach on a weekly basis. This means that many of the games are probably just another case of Mario running to Bowser and kicking his ass. Kinda like it's his day job. | |||
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by Someguy Well, the GB DK, while a very great game, still came after and added all those improvements at a later time--for sake of argument and continuity, we'll say that the original games (thus coinciding with the two sequals) are the "cannon" storyline for that particular series (see, this is just one of the many ways they've managed to break the DK timeline...we'll save that for another time, though )
As for the SML series, they certainly HAVE to have happened, as the continued existance of Wario (and like I said, lacking any other sourcing, we're forced to believe he still lives in Mario Land, or at the very least, part of Kitchen Island which is located off of Mario Land, though there's no evidence his castle actualy stayed there.) is just one example....but I'm honestly clueless as to how they could ever possibly fit in to a consistant timeline. Being as they were of the few Mario games not made by Shigeru Miyamoto, I concider them slightly less cannon than the rest of the series, though still entirely valid if not for the reoccurance of Wario. Also, Grey just reminded me I completely forgot the entire RPG series of Mario games  Presumably, The 7 Stars takes place after every prior Mario game but before Mario 64, and the remaining ones all take place after (Mario Sunshine would go somewhere in there...I really don't know, it's way too confusing and ambiguous now ) So...yeah. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by TenOriginally posted by Griff Morivan What we have here is a failure to read the thread. Colin already said that. |
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Ten Flurry Since: 12-09-05 From: Denver Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Oh I'm sorry. I scanned the quotes first to see if someone already pointed that out.
... The delete post link needs one of those "are you sure" pop-ups, or atleast not be put so close to the edit post link. |
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Stabwound Goomba  Since: 05-11-06 Last post: 6409 days Last view: 6409 days |
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| So, at what point during Mario's life did he find the time to take part in multiple kart racing tournaments? | |||
HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Maybe those are dreams. Would explain why Bowser (and in SMK, Koopa Troopa) is racing fairly instead of trying to kidnap Peach, DK can drive, and Wario is actually around. Not to mention Lakitu being a referee instead of a bomb-dropping annoyance. | |||
stardust4ever Bronto Burt  Since: 10-27-06 From: Northern LA Last post: 6371 days Last view: 6327 days |
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| I am surprized that nobody has yet mentioned SMW2: Yoshi's Island. This game really goes back to Mario & Luigi's roots, LOL! Yoshi has to "rescue" baby Mario and baby Luigi. Which brings us to the recent DS game "Mario and Luigi" Partners in Time, WTF? I recently ordered it from Amazon but have yet to play it, but you have 4 characters at play here, Mario, baby Mario, Luigi, baby Luigi, which infers maybe possible love affairs with Peach and Daisy!!! <---PS, you didn't just hear that, at least not from me, LOL!!!
Anyway, other notables where Peach is kidnapped by Bowser include the original Paper Mario (in which Luigi sits around like a bump on a log the whole game, how lame), New Super Mario Bros (Awesome game, like a totally remixed and updated 1 & 3), Peach is kidnapped by baby Bowser in Super Mario Sunshine, which starts off as a peaceful vacation gone wrong, but we don't find that out until <<  ). Mario Galaxy is as of yet unconfirmed if Bowser is responsible or not, but Outerspace, come on?
Ahem! Anywhoo, Peach is kidnapped by the X-Nauts in the 2nd Paper Mario (and << Let's see, ah yes, the SML/WL gameboy series - Wario and Mario were rivals from day one, and yes, Wario does get to keep Mario's old Castle from SML2 - Please note that the SML series was NOT a creation of Myamoto, but who couldn't love the greedy, misunderstood Wario? The only reason for Daisy's resurrection and WaLuigi's conception was so that Peach and Wario would have partners in Party/ Sports games. You'd think as I did that WaLuigi is a most retarded name, until you learn as I did that "walui" in Japanese means "evil". By default, sports, kart, party, smash games, while they totally all kick butt, have no plot and don't belong on the timeline. Following is a list of all of the garden variety "Peach gets kidnapped; Mario to the rescue" type that I OWN AND HAVE PLAYED THROUGH. Donkey Kong (Big ugly ape steals former girlfriend Pauline) - 1980 SMB1 - 1985 SMB2j aka "Lost Levels" - 1986 SMB3 - 1989 SMW1 - 1991 SML (gameboy, Daisy) - 1989 All Stars - 1993 SMW2, Yoshi's Island (not really, but belongs at the beginning of the timeline) Mario 64 - 1996 Paper Mario (RPG) - 2001 Mario Sunshine - 2001 Paper Mario TTYD (not by Bowser, RPG game) - 2004 Mario Galaxy (Pending) (edited by stardust4ever on 11-02-06 08:19 AM) |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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