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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6308 days |
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We all know who Jack Thompson is and what he stands for, but I have a theory on why he does what he does. Ever notice how he always seems to go after Rockstar games? I think that Jack Thompson may be someone hired by Rockstar games or some other company in the gaming industry to raise publicity about certain games. Think about it: He's been doing an excellent job increasing the sales of GTA and I'm sure everyone wants a copy of Bully now because of his rampage. Besides: I don't think anyone can really be that dumb. His extremity has really made a lot of people question his intelligence and since he's so loud about it, he's heard. Loud and dumb people are always listened to even if they are disagreed with. What do you guys think? Do you think it's possible? | |||
Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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honestly, I've never heard of Jack Thompson. He must not be that loud if I cant hear him | |||
Kailieann Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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To be honest, I think he's just an idiot.
But an idiot who believes in what he's doing. Which probably makes him even more of an idiot. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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He's been controversial even before this. Pretty weak theory, really. | |||
Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace... Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Yeah, before his crusade against games it was against rap music or something.
~_~ |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Also Janet Reno. | |||
Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Kailieann Agreed, but what does it say about the people that listen to him? It's obvious that he's out of his gourd, I mean, he's had so many cases thrown out of court for lack of legal standing and he's been reprimanded by numerous judges for his lack of courtroom etiquet, but people still listen to him. To me, those people are even bigger morons than Jack (which is quite impressive considering where he measures up on that meter). And I strongly doubt that rockstar hired him but if they did that shows increadible foresight because it would mean that they planted him years before they even became large enough to produce a game that could stir up controversy. It would mean that they told him to just go on the attack of all things holy in the eyes of the first amendment and after about half a decade (or however long he's been at it) they'd release a game that they'd want him to target. Genious advertising if it was their plan. |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6297 days |
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In all honesty, though, the whole mature videogame controversy and people like Jack Thompson are nothing new. For every generation since at least the beginning of the 20th century, there has been some form of media which has caused controversy (usually with the group from the generation before).
Movies. Comic books. Rock and Roll. Movies again. Rap. And, of course, video games. If anything, Jack Thompson's just the new Fredric Wertham. Except dumber. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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In defense of this guy, I'll note that he's not retarded. He's just persistent, hoping somehow he'll get his message through. Unfortunately, the legal system is not on his side in this matter, and is where him and anyone like him will inevitably fail. A court cannot judge something to be illegal just because it's bad, or wrong.
Fuck, if they did that, hundreds of thousands of welfare recipients would have affordable and decent health insurance, and this is no different. If we suddenly begin to decide that immoral things are against the law, then LOT'S of immoral things, even things you might depend on some days, will be gone. It is unfortunate he cannot win a case, but nevertheless he makes a point. These things do influence young kids. I remember watching Indiana Jones when I was younger, like 10 years old, and I remember I wanted to be Indy too, such a badass...Hell, I even got in a fight once because I tried to be Indy. But anyways, games are just games. Synapses of light and audio to make comprehensible images and noise. |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6297 days |
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No, he doesn't make a point. He uses plenty of non-truths and outright lies which he probably actually thinks are true.
Most studies have NOT found that playing games make kids more violent. Most have been inconclusive. A handful have shown a correlation between playing violent games and being violent, but with no conclusive evidence of which way that causality flows (if the violent games make the children violent, or if the violent children simply prefer the violent games). The vast majority of these behavioral media studies have used methodology that is questionable at best, so in the end it is truly unknown. What is known is that violent crimes among youths has continually DECREASED in the past few decades, while the popularity of video games has been INCREASING. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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The point is, do you disagree that children shouldn't be able to play GTA3 or later, and other related games that contain questionable content, or agree? It doesn't matter how many studies are conducted, I don't see any of these questionnaires floating in my direction, so how can you put your faith in such an inconclusive document?
PS: What are these lies? |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Here's a few of Thompson's lies (and some other tidbits because I feel like it):
Okay, I've barely touched the Wikiquote page, this would just go on forever if I continued... So, just, go here. To your first question, though, I agree that children should not play GTA3/VC/SA. So does the ESRB. But it's not up to me if YOU let YOUR kids play them. It's not up to the ESRB if you let your kids play them. And it's not up to the government if you let your kids play them. Nor should it be. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I agree, that would be impinging on peoples freedom a little bit. But there is something the ESRB should be doing to control the amount of violence in video games, because kids DO end up playing them. Parents see Grand Theft Auto, some laugh at the name, some take it seriously. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I tend to believe violent crimes don't happen because they're in video games, music and movies, they're in video games, music and movies because they happen. People tend to be violent, right back to our chimp ancesters (or if you prefer, when Cain killed Able), and if anything video games more likely act as an outlet for aggression rather than a source.
I think its going a bit far, though, to say that young children won't ever try to emulate what they see in a game or a movie, but this isn't really a reason for censorship, just better parenting. (edited by emcee on 10-14-06 10:21 PM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Well, some people feel consorship is necessary because there are instances where the parenting fails and kids will end up seeing this kind of violence at an age when they shouldn't really even be considering this. I don't advocate that it comes into real life through these video games, not on such a major scale, because there is enough influence from street culture that works its way in somehow. | |||
Cara Zeltina 90 Since: 05-11-06 Last post: 6370 days Last view: 6370 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Exactly what are you suggesting, then? They place the rating clearly on the packaging. Children do not buy video games, parents do.. It is -totally- up to the parent, you cannot justify at all that a parent just "laughs at the name" and ignores it.. No, that is not the ESRB's fault at all, that is the parent being ignorant, or feeling the kid is mature enough to handle it. And in the latter case, that's their choice.. In the former, they have no one else to blame.. Once it comes to being a teenager, and they can buy their own games, regulating their intake becomes harder.. But that's because they are maturing faster. Chances are, most games they buy are "T" (for Teen) rated anyway, and most "M" rated games are more timid than "R" rated movies that I've seen. (Not always, but still, you know what my point is.) And anything higher than that is never seen in a store anyway.. What exactly, do you expect of the ESRB? You want them to censor violence in games? That pretty much sounds like what you're suggesting.. and we all know how wonderful censoring is, right? Right, so what were you saying again..? Oh yes, it was this: Originally posted by Rom Manic No, censorship should never be necessary. There are books out there (probably even in your local library) that are a hundred times worse than these games.. Do you see ratings are books? Hah, you don't see anyone complaining about books anymore either now do you? Jack has nothing to stand on with his arguments.. As JDavis said, he's just another guy playing his part in the grand scheme of things.. no one special, and no different than the others before him. (except, perhaps a little less sane..) In the end.. As a parent, YOU are ultimately responsible. You are not so fucking lazy that you can't read a letter on a box and make a simple judgment call. Nor are you too lazy to glance at a TV screen once and awhile to see what they're playing.. You cannot honestly tell me that it isn't laziness either. Parents need to RAISE their kids, not rely on fail-safes like censorship which hurts legitimate people.. (edited by Cara Zeltina on 10-15-06 01:23 AM) (edited by Cara Zeltina on 10-15-06 01:26 AM) |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb Nice contribution And nice conspiracy theory, but I honestly doubt it. As for Jack Thompson, anyone with half a brain can see how his arguments and psuedo-science fails to prove his points. I like how he claims video games rot the brain. Let's run down the checklist: -Using the controller to manipulate an on-screen character can help develop areas in the brain dealing with hand-eye coordination. -Coming up with approaches or tactics to a game can develop and improve plan-building and problem-solving in both children and adults. -Many games require reading and listening to find out objectives, which can help reading comprehension and listening skills. -Furthermore, for bed-ridden or disabled people, video games is something they can compete in with peers and feel relatively normal at, akin to sports to other people. Thompson, on the other hand, claims that they somehow degenerate the brain, as though the light rots your eyes or something. I feel fucking sorry for his kids, because it will be a miracle if they're ever able to understand mainstream society or relate to your average person at all. Edit: On violence and video games... Most people don't seem to understand the studies. There IS evidence that violent movies and violent video games are correlational with violence among children, but no evidence that the violent media CAUSES that increase in violence. Correlation does not equal causality. Just as likely as it is that violent games encourage real violence, it's likely that already violent kids seek and enjoy violent media. It's also just as likely that some children are predisposed towards violent behavior before being exposed to this media (Due to genetic / physiological factors and upbringing environment), and the violent media they witness just gives them the knowledge with which to exp What Jack Thompson is doing is blurring the rules of statistics. He takes a correlation and immediately assumes it implies one causes the other. This isn't true. For example, larger feet are correlational with higher pay, but obviously larger feet are not the reason the person gets paid more. (It's actually a gender thing. In most countries men are still paid more than women for the same work, and men genetically are more likely to have bigger feet than women.) (edited by witeasprinwow on 10-15-06 01:37 AM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 10-15-06 01:37 AM) |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6297 days |
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witeaspringwow brings up some of the same points I did, as well as some I didn't bother to get around to yet.
But, you know what, we can end any Jack Thompson arguement pretty swiftly. For you see, this is the internet, and... Originally posted by Jack Thompson ... Jack Thompson Godwin's Law'ed himself. Good night, everybody! |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I wonder where you purchase a pair of Hitler underwear. | |||
Glyphodon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6316 days |
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