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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6446 days Last view: 6432 days |
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freedom is not the right to do ANYTHING
freedom of speech is not the right to say anything you want. Freedom of speech is to ensure that people can speak out against the government if they feel it is doing a bad job. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree link As quoted in the url above the definition of Freedom is this: the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints exemption: immunity from an obligation or duty wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Freedom refers, in a very general sense, to the state of being free (i.e.: unrestricted, unconfined or unfettered) I dunno about you but freedom seems to mean to me absolutley no restraints, although to have complete freedom would be anarchy. and anarchy doesnt work .so we must get rid of the pointless (religious) laws that limit freedom and keep the laws that protect. We cannot speak out against the government if we use words that are deemed vulgar or wrong. tell me this what is the difference between the words : "shit" "poop" "feces" they all mean the same thing so what is the difference ? If you understand the question corectly mabey you see where my views on the subject are comeing from. (edited by Crayola on 10-10-06 09:57 PM) (edited by Crayola on 10-10-06 10:00 PM) (edited by Crayola on 10-10-06 10:08 PM) (edited by setz on 10-10-06 10:28 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6433 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola So? |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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so then it is not true freedom of speech it is only partial.
Is that not important? Freedom of speech-is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship What the constitution says and what the government does are two different things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech use the above url for references. (edited by Crayola on 10-10-06 10:28 PM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Social Libertarianism is the only way for some. Others are content with the ability to sue for verbal assault
But I agree with you, in all seriousness. I wanna say fuck you to whoever I want, but I will be prepared for the ramifications such a statement will incur. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Omfg yay someone agrees with me on something that is a first.... I think someone needs to make a propoganda video and spread it round the net. The video would explain my and other liberal's views ,and put stuff so simply that anyone could understand it( am semi-serious about this whole idea).this would influence the voters and hey mabey well get a good president next election. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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One word: YouTube. | |||
Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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ill have to think about how to make it ( if i do)
It will have to be sortta like all those documentaries you watch like farenheight 911, cept it will be funny or something. hmm i knew i should have taken journalism.....damn (edited by Crayola on 10-10-06 10:46 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6433 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola No. Freedom of Speech is not an absolute. No right is an absolute, because rights clash with one another and you can't maximise them all simulteneously. For example, you're not allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded room because that impinges other people's rights to safety and so forth. Hate speech is often punished in many places because it violates the right of certain communities to live free of fear. Even as an adult, swearing at people aggressively, in certain situations, can potentially get you in trouble for anything ranging from threatening/intimidating someone to disturbing the peace. After all, even as an adult, it's not your right to escape the consequences of your behaviour when it impacts on other people. It's not enough to say "it impinges on freedom of speech", that isn't an argument in itself. Many things impinge freedom of speech. You have to demonstrate why it's excessive, and frankly, schools punishing students in fairly minimal ways (ever get the cane, for example? they do in Singapore) for disrespecting teachers does not constitute any meaningful restriction of freedom of speech. Firstly, minors in schools are, simply, not entitled to the full gamut of rights within the grounds of that school. This is because they also do not have the full range of responsibilities. Societies accept that children must be limited in the rights they enjoy because they are not ready to have them all. We as a society accept the principle of limiting minors in ways that are unacceptable when applied to adults (see also: alcohol laws, sex laws, work laws, etc). Kids aren't treated like adults. Moreover, you are NOT being fucking persecuted. I actually find it offensive that you would whinge and complain that schools exercising an appropriate level off basic discipline can be equated to the ACTUAL deprivations of basic freedoms that occur all over the world, even in your own country with its long tradition of freedom and democratic values. There are people in jail for exp |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace... Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6431 days |
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I find it so funny that US is so obessed with freedom and liberty, yet certain forms of liberalism is frowned upon by alot of people. | |||
Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon I was sent to court and recived 20 hours comunity service and 3 days OSS. All I did was flip off my Principle , now take away the fact that this act is inherently stupid. Think about it i am not allowed to put my middle finger up without my other fingers or i go back to court. So please explain how that is not persecution. Kids aren't treated like adults? I seem to remember several kids being tried as adults in court.So it seems like kids arent treated like adults unless they commit murder , in ever other setting our rights are striped that is pretty fucked up in my book. And dont bring other countries rights and rules into this conversation. I really dont care how bad they have it or how bad they are being treated. I live here so ill bitch about the stupid laws here untill i move then ill bitch about the stupid laws there. Bitching is the political way. if you dont like something speak out for what you believe in. And mostley listen to others and try not to tell them to grow up because that shows really honestly who needs to grow up *wink*. Lets really break it down. We have two words 1. fuck 2. fornicate Now ill go back to court if i say one of these in school and the other i wont. They both mean the same thing. Now i will be persecuted ( and yes it is persecution when you go to court and get a fine and community service for it) for saying the 1st word and yet the second is completley ok. So is that not fucking stupid? If its not stupid and you agree with sending kids to court for exp (edited by Crayola on 10-11-06 04:38 PM) (edited by Crayola on 10-11-06 04:46 PM) |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6431 days |
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How about exp I think if you actually did go to court over flipping off your principal there is more to this story than you are telling us, but if not then that is a bit excessive. Probably something to do with public obscenity, but meh. You can get arrested for wearing a T-Shirt that says "fuck you" or other such things. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6432 days |
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You can be put on probation for saying "I wish you were dead".
Kids are treated like shit. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6499 days Last view: 6462 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins Using the middle finger was the easiest way to exp And yes this did really happen. It was after-school (while i was still on school propety).The principle had just told me to leave a car that i was going to get a ride off of. (really piseed at the principle at this point he had been kicking me out of where i was getting my rides from for a month.) So i decided to walk down the hill but it was hot and i mean really hot ,and i was wearing a very hot shirt notthing else. So i took it off (on school property damn ) and he told me to put it back on now keep in mind it is really fucking hot and i had only a long sleve shirt to put on so i continue my walk down the hill and he tells me to listen to him i say no this continues for a while. Anyways eventually i jumped in a freinds car whilst flipping him the bird. My other actions are not what got me in trouble the only thing that came up in court was me flipping him off. So it was a true story and i am sorry i wrote it bad i am very trired... oh yea funny story i forgot to mention since he had been telling me to get away from all those cars i decided to call the higer ups on him. There is notthing in the handbooks that says we cannot hang out and try and get a ride, Long story short after fucking with us over the whole ride thing he quit after i spoke with the school board supervisor dude (and by i spoke i mean my mom .lol) So if i had never fliped him off and got in trouble he would still fuck with us over that. Cept i got a car now so i dont really care. (edited by Crayola on 10-11-06 05:06 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6438 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Bethel v. Fraser. Familiar with it?
No right is an absolute. Just look at all the times that the 10th Amendment gets (for all intents and purposes) ignored or overruled. Or, failing that, ask yourself if child pornography should be legal. If no, you've proven my point. |
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Tweek Newcomer Since: 10-11-06 From: pennington gap, va Last post: 6562 days Last view: 6562 days |
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so basically when it all comes down to one thing its a really serious matter? | |||
beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6431 days |
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