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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Thought on abortion? |
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Kingpin                 Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| I think this boils down to whether or not you think a week old fetus is a person or not. I think a fetus is just as much a human as anyone at conception. I could show you pictures of aborted fetuses at different stages, but they are pretty graphic. You could probably find them on google. After only a week, you can make out hands, feet, most of the face, and even where the eyes will be. Its pretty disturbing. Thats why a large portion of women who do get an abortion feel such incredible guilt after an abortion. They get the abortion, see the fetus, and immediately regret what they did. If you have sex, you protection. If you get raped, then yes, I agree that you shouldnt have to take care of a baby you didnt want in the first place, but the kid doesnt deserve to be killed. Just give birth and give it up for adoption. | |||
Silvershield   580    Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6316 days Last view: 6304 days |
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This thread is pretty old, and I can't say much that can't be found a few pages back, but I'll take a moment to say one thing (even though I'm sure I made a similar point previously).Originally posted by SabishiiIf it was as simple as you seem to think it is, then I would not be arguing abortion in the first place. I'm all for sovereignty over one's own body. I don't like the idea of tatoos or many piercings, but I'll not stop anyone else from doing it to themselves; likewise, I'm not homosexual, but I don't have much of an argument against such people getting married because it doesn't exactly damage me. If a baby were a mass of nonhumanity, I couldn't say a word to you when you go in to get it removed. But, as the fetus is a human being, it's no longer just "your body" that's being affected by the procedure. It's not "the woman's choice because it's her body," as you remarked, because it's not her body. The child resides within her body, but is not part of it. |
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Sabishii Red Paragoomba Since: 02-26-06 From: Georgia Last post: 6471 days Last view: 6471 days |
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| I don't feel that it is a simple choice. It's complex enough to write encyclopedias on, whether you're pro-choice, anti-choice, or something inbetween.
What I think, however, is that it should remain the woman's choice until the fetus could survive outside the womb. Until then, it's drawing entirely from the mother, be it for production of blood, for oxygen or for nutrients. Even with nutrients, if the infant isn't recieving the proper amount of anything, it takes from the mother. A common example of this is calcium and many women have weak teeth and bones forever after giving birth because of all the child drew from them. That's not even the limit of the damage it does, be it something appearance based like stretching of the skin or actually changing the mother's body frame, such as the permanent widening of the hips to allow the baby's head to pass or the flattening of the feet to help with weight distribution. To let a fetus grow inside and to let it be born as a baby and raised into a child is wonderful. It's got so many sacrifices and I admire the women who suffer what they must for their children. It takes a lot to deal with the physical changes like those mentioned about and the emotional changes caused by countless hormones that can cause everything from depression to morning sickness. That's awesome, but until a hospital can create an artifical womb or some sort of system in which it could safely and healthily develop a fetus without need of the mother's body, it should completely be the mother's choice as to whether or not she should suffer the pains of pregnancy, labor and then either raising or letting go of the child. I never intend to use it, but I want that option left open to me regardless of how others do or do not use it. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6316 days Last view: 6304 days |
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Originally posted by SabishiiSo even after a number of months, when the child is most certainly human, with features that are most certainly human, its life should be at the whim of the mother? Though I would say a fetus is human from conception, even a pro-choicer would recognize the developing child as a human person long before it is able to survive on its own outside of the womb. If things worked as you describe, it would be legal to murder a developing baby long after current laws allow. Originally posted by SabishiiIt is completely her choice. She can't make the choice to have sex but decide not to risk becoming pregnant; the two are irrevocably linked. |
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ziratha Koopa Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| Here is the way I see it: Suppose the fetus is a person. I think that, if it were proven and definite that it were a person then we would all be against abortion because... well killing people is usually bad. We will assign this possibility a moral value of -1.
Now suppose the fetus is not a person. Then killing it is... harmless. This possibility Could do some good, but not on the scale of murder, so we will asign this a moral value of +.25 . Since as of right now, we seem to have an even chance of the fetus being alive as we do of it being a meaningless lump of flesh, We can determine that the expected moral value is -3/8, or -.375. For this reason, I am against the procedure. I feel, better safe than sorry. |
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AMazur Tektite Since: 07-02-06 Last post: 6326 days Last view: 6307 days |
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| Apathy is certainly not a stance on abortion nor is refusing to answer.
Anyway, I am against it. My grandmother died shortly after giving birth to my own mom. The doctors advised for an abortion but my grandma refused. Basically I wouldn't be here today had she agreed. The way I see it, it is selfish to abort at the first sign of danger. There're many postulates and such that come up often. For example, brain development does begin until week seven. No brain no person right? Call me old fashioned but one recieves a soul at the moment of conception. Whether or not you believe in souls is irrelevent. Maybe you can replace the word soul with "subconsious". Either way conception begins without the brain but rather it begins with the will. And will is everything. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6305 days Last view: 6305 days |
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| Map of where Abortion is legal and under what circumstances. | |||
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6304 days |
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| A new life is ten thousand times worth more than an old life. Children are the future, the future must survive, even if the past must die. | |||
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6304 days Last view: 6303 days |
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I'm confused , on another thread you're saying killing our own species is good because it allow us to control the population and that, without it, we would be overpopulated, and then you are saying we shouldn't do abortion because it will kill the future just like if mankind would be underpopulated if we do it  |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6303 days |
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| 2-month bump. |
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