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||bass Administrator                  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| Ok. FIRST THING. Sony has not "ripped off" the idea of emulating old systems on newer hardware. Nobody has. EVERYBODY here should well realize that the whole idea of CONSOLE EMULATION has been around for quite some time. The fact that system companies are finally looking to make money off of this concept is no big shock and should come as no surprise to anyone. Second, do you really think it's appropriate to bitch about a console coming with a genuinely good feature. I for one don't give a damn who "ripped off" who. Seriously who cares, there's nothing wrong with using someone else's idea when it's a GOOD idea. | |||
Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise    Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| I think their point is from an ethical standpoint...the idea of emulating thos especific systems was Nintendo's first, and I guess that the point they are trying to make is that even though its a good idea, it still isn't thier idea and it brings up a series of ethical questions to that subject ._. | |||
Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Xk: The friend code thing won't be so bad if Nintendo assigns the friend code based on your Wii's serial number and EVERY SINGLE GAME uses it.  (At the very least, I would hope that all Nintendo-made games would do so.)
||bass: I think the thing that's raising a few eyebrows is the Genesis/TG-16 games going to both the PS3 and the Wii. While it's probably just a case of Sega/Hudson wanting to get the most bang for their buck, some people will look at it and, at the very least, raise their eyebrows - they'd have a good reason to if Sony actually did approach Sega/Hudson AFTER Nintendo announced they were on board, but we'll never find that out. And even if you take that away, there's PLENTY of reasons to get on Sony's case, even by Sony fanboys. |
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Zidane Koopa  Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6318 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku Hahaha, I know I've been thinking of games from any and all older consoles being emulated on newer ones long before the Game Cube, PS2, or XBox came out. Maybe Nintendo should pay me for ripping my idea. Seriously, I doubt that anyone who has used a console emulator hasn't already had this idea come to them. It is usually the biased type of people who can't really come up with anything wrong with a system that try to use an argument like this. It reminds me of people on this board who say the PS2 sucked because it broke so often. Truthfully, I haven't heard of anything from any of my friends about their PS2 breaking so often. In fact, I'm always hearing how Game Cube accessories (like controllers - made by Nintendo) are always breaking. And pretty much everyone I've talked to (I've had this problem countless times, also) has had the problem of starting up their Game Cube and their analog stick is going crazy - the game has just begun, and already the cursor is scrolling up at lightning speed. The most believable reason why these people say PS2s break so much is because so many damn people own them. Obviously, if more people own them, more people are going to have them break on them. Mine's perfectly fine; really, it's usually due to the owner's stupidity that their console is broken. I'm not on either side. I'm probably even going to buy a Wii. I'm just tired of seeing people come up with the weakest of arguments. (edited by Zidane on 09-22-06 10:09 PM) |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| I wasn't even arguing, I was trying to elaborate what I beleived to be their point....and I'm not being all anti-PS3, you didn't even get my point. Its not the fact that they are emulating older games, but SPECIFICIALLY, the same kind of ones Nntendo is doing. Colin is right in that it rightfuly raises a few eyebrows. This isn't fangirlism, its me saying what I beleive the other people thought. It helps if you read.
As for your friends situation, they are obviously pretty stupid...the controll stick never goes "crazy" unless you are touching it when you turn the system on, something it tells you not to do anyway. Nintendo makes very durable products that won't TYPICALLY break unless you're using them stupidly...sounds like your friends probably were if they can't even figure that out. As for the PS2 breaking, it dosn't matter if it happened to your friends, that dosn't change the fact that it has happened to countless other people. Your friends arent special--just because something happens or dosn't happen to them dosn't make it cannon. Just because their Nintendo products dont work dosn't mean the all do, and just because thier Sony products work dosn't mean they don't give many others headaches. End rant ._. Edit: If more people own them, its more likely to break? WHAT. No. No. Oh my god... .__. I can't believe I missed that the first time. Just no. (edited by Yoronosuku on 09-22-06 11:37 PM) (edited by Yoronosuku on 09-22-06 11:40 PM) |
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PrincessPeach Buzzy Beetle  Since: 11-18-05 From: Rüti ZH Last post: 6319 days Last view: 6319 days |
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| @HyperMakarel: does Janguru itsumo hale nochi guu ring a bell?
Yes, PS2's break more than Cubes or XBoxes. I worked part time at a game shop (It's now called GameStop, go figure). And in my lifetime there (A console lifetime), I had at least one faulty PS2 a day a consumer brought in. Bad never ever was there a faulty GameCube, because, if you broke your cube, it certainly will not fall under waranty, they this |=====================================|* durable. *not to scale. @HyperMakarel: That was a cd-size joke on bash. |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice!  Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by ZidaneOriginally posted by Yoronosuku What, they didn't think to make sure their controllers were set to the neutral position, like the manual says? My friend's PS2 broke, more specifically, it's laser quit. and the ONLY two nintendo accessories I had that broke were: One nintendo-made controller who's cord was chewed in half by a rabbit, and oen third-party controller that had a contact-cup-thing wear out on the "A" button. |
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Zidane Koopa Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6318 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku Argument, as in a process of reasoning. I never said anyone was arguing. Originally posted by Yoronosuku It's funny how some of the emulators I have do exactly that. What likely happened is that they both did a statistical analysis and found that emulating specific systems would result in more money. It's simply how the economy works - no one's ripping anyone. An idea is stolen if it's original. If it's an idea that many people share, such as the emulation of games from these systems, then few care. It would be another thing if the methods or code for emulation were copied, but that's unlikely. A good way to look at it is if it won't hold up in court, it's a weak argument. Originally posted by Yoronosuku I don't touch it and it still does this. My friends don't touch it and it still does this. Other people don't touch it and it still does this. The controllers themselves have a reputation for falling apart, which I am sure you have heard of, if not experienced yourself. Originally posted by Yoronosuku I was saying that it didn't break on them, actually; and I never said that it didn't break for others. I use "friend" pretty freely. Most everyone I've met is my friend. I would think of you as my friend, but you insulted them. Why did you do that? By doing something like that, you contribute to the thread's potential of really becoming an argument. Originally posted by Yoronosuku Where do you get all this from!? I never said anything like this! I was only sharing the experiences of both me and my friends for a minimal amount of support. Originally posted by Yoronosuku I don't see what's so hard to follow. The more people that own PS2s, the greater the chance of there being more broken PS2s. It's like a room full of chairs and people. The more people in the room, the greater the chance that someone will be sitting in a chair. If you take a look at the ratio of broken PS2s to bought PS2s, it's really not that bad. Fewer people buy Game Cubes, so there is naturally going to be less of a chance for more broken Game Cubes. Originally posted by Yoronosuku Damn right it is. What did I do to you to have you insult my friends? It's almost as if you were looking to start an argument. I'm sorry if you took offense to my previous post. I never said you were one of the "biased type," but you seem to be either one of those, in a bad mood, or just plain looking for a fight. Originally posted by PrincessPeach I also used to work at a GameStop. Where I live, there are about three EB Games and a GameStop within ten miles. Our game stores usually kept in contact with each other and sometimes would have employees cover for someone in another store; and we never had this big a problem. There were just as many returned PS2s as Game Cubes and XBoxes around here. I guess it could vary (such as a bad shipment to a certain region), but there's the whole "the more PS2s than Game Cubes or XBoxes sold, the greater the chance of more broken PS2s than broken Game Cubes or XBoxes" argument. Originally posted by Sukasa A friend of mine has had the laser on her Game Cube break. :P My experience (and that of other people I know) has been that PS2 controllers tend to break at the wire, and Game Cube controllers tend to break at the control stick. The Game Cube memory cards were also often read as unformatted by the Game Cube when first accessing them (this happens to me all the time with both a Nintendo and a third party memory card). I never meant to go this off topic. I wasn't trying to start a Game Cube vs. PS2 argument. I play and like them both. I would recommend buying either of them. I was only trying to say that I thought the emulation argument seemed like a weak one a biased person would use. |
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Valcion Knuckle Joe too much high power man  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| lol fanboyism rampant | |||
Tanks Spiny  Since: 06-19-06 From: Eagle Land Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| Nintendo has always been ripped off, but the this is the worst. Do you guys remember the CDi? Thats was a collaberation between phillips and nintendo to build a disk system for the SNES. Phillips pulled out but the contract between them and nintendo was still working. Phillips now had the abiltiy to make their own disk system and also take nintendos characters such as mario and zelda and they did. The system failed but it did ripp off nintendo BIG TIME! I forget the rest of it but something happened between Phillips and Sony, possibly a collaberation (I think). But this is the best part. The code name for the CDi was BUM BUM BUM! PROJECT PLAYSTATION! | |||
HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6313 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku Actually, all my Gamecube controllers had that problem. You'd start up the game and the stick would be way off center. In some cases you'd reset it (X+Y+Start) and then as soon as you touched it again it'd go back to being crazy.  The rubber padding was also coming off.
Originally posted by PrincessPeach No, but a name like that would certainly explain why I don't recall it.  And I changed my name back quite a while ago. |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6318 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by Tanks Eh, thats close to what happened. Nintendo abandoned Phillips and started working with Sony, then Phillips released the cdi. Then when Nintendo was working with Sony, things kept getting in the way of releasing the cd addon. Nintendo release the Super FX chip, which pushed the cd addon back even more. Suddenly, Nintendo abandoned Sony as well, saying that CDs were not the future of gaming and that CDs were ultimately slower than cartridges. Thats when Sony decided to use what they had and make the Playstation independently from Nintendo. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| Oh geez, they had the GT:HD media briefing today...
Kaz talks about how they want to make items in the game as desirable, more like enviable, and that not every item or car will be available to every person. You have to be able to "afford" it. He wants to create that ownership lust that exists in the offline world. ...Please don't start selling the Ferraris at $15 a pop.  |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by KingpinOriginally posted by Tanks Supposedly, one of the higher-ranking Nintendo execs, I forget which one, also said that Nintendo pulled out of the deal because "He couldn't bear to help Sony into the console business." RE: GT:HD: Some have stated that the GT stuff has to be fake. Whether it's Sony fanboyism talking or what, I don't know, but even THEY couldn't be that dumb...could they? |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| That was directly from the speech today so unless something got lost in the translation...
Apparently there might be a whopping total of ONE car to unlock through skill too. |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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HH: Never in a bajillion years have I ever had or even heard that happen  crazy. And Zidane, you know, I don't know what you mean about Nintendo controllers having a reputation of them falling appart. They have a reputation of being sturdy if nothing else 
As for the more people own a ps2 so theres more broken ones, no. If less people owned it, that wouldn't mean the system would be less likely to break, or less of them would be broken. The same amount would be broken, less people would just own them. I don't see the point o-o;; if more people owned a Gamecube or XBox which didn't break so much, there isn't going to suddenly be an outbreak of faulty Gamecubes. Bleh. |
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DarkSlaya   930 Gamma Ray  Since: 11-17-05 From: Montreal, Canada Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| I laugh at you people whose Nintendo controllers break down.
Seriously, my gamecube controllers have taken serious abuse, and are working fine. ... And the GT thing is... ugh. Someone give me a really effective weapon and a trip to japan sony hq. |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku Not quite. If Sony sold fewer PS2 than they have, while the systems would break at the same RATE, there would indeed be fewer broken ones. This is a very important distinction. Think of it this way: I take 100 PS2s and for some reason, I'm feeling Sonycidal today, so I just smash 5 of them by various means. This does not satisfy my lust for decimated Sony electronics, so I take another 1000 PS2s (Different from the first 100) and this time I smash 50 of them. Which group did I break more of? Well, the second one; I broke 50 as opposed to 5 in the first group. Which group did I break a higher PERCENTAGE of? I actually broke the same percentage--5%--in both groups. I broke a more in the second group because, you guessed it, there were more in the second group for me to break. Having said that, I don't believe that the number of failed PS2 is totally compensated for by their increased marketshare--my brother and I had one that eventually died, and I bought a used one from EB that failed something like 3 weeks after I bought it. So I had two that ultimately went defective by myself (Granting, I'm using our old friend the Small Sample Size here), whereas except maybe for the original NES, I don't think I've ever had another system fail. On the other hand, my uncle had a GameCube that fried not long after he got it. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6313 days |
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| Nintendo hardly has a reputation for making bad controllers but they do seem to be getting less durable. NES and SNES controllers, you could practically smash through a brick wall with. I smashed the hell out of them and they never gave me problems. N64 controllers could take plenty of abuse but wore out fairly quickly. Gamecube controllers just seem to be really weak; they wear out fast and are pretty easy to break. I've matured a lot since the NES and SNES days and almost never smash my controllers anymore, but my Gamecube ones still didn't last nearly as long as any previous ones.
Also, I think both Yoro and Emptyeye are right. If more of a product is sold, then there are going to be more reports of them being defective, because n% of a larger group is a larger number. However, Sony's never really been known for durability, and it seems there is a much higher percentage of defective PS2s than Gamecubes and XBoxes. Most PS2 owners I talk to say theirs or their friend's has worn out and quit for whatever reason (laser problems generally), while most XBox and Gamecube owners I talk to have no problems to report aside from minor things like the Gamecube's sticky eject button. A friend of my mom is on his 5th PS2 after the first four wore out; he never abused them, just played them a lot. His kid has an XBox which he plays almost all day long, and the only problem he ever mentioned it having was a sticky disc tray because some idiot punched it or something. Me and my brother both play our Gamecube a lot and it's never had the slightest problem besides the sticky eject button. (edited by HyperHacker on 09-23-06 06:15 PM) |
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