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Posted on 09-16-06 08:48 PM Link | Quote
What's wrong with the old controllers? Sure, they're wired, but it wasn't perfect back then. I'm find with the Saturn's controller. In fact, I'm playing a game now w/it. It just take a bit to get used to again.
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Posted on 09-16-06 08:49 PM Link | Quote
I wasn´t talking about the prices. I was talking about the not-regionfree-games. Or so they say they´ll be.
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Posted on 09-16-06 08:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Fire Trapster
I wasn´t talking about the prices. I was talking about the not-regionfree-games. Or so they say they´ll be.


I was talking in general. Not specifying to anyone. That's why I didn't quote.
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Posted on 09-16-06 08:51 PM Link | Quote
Question is: how long?

My guess is 2 months. The hacking community is huge.

It might be a hack to add channels such as the FREE Virtual Console channel.
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Posted on 09-16-06 08:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by KP9000
Question is: how long?

My guess is 2 months. The hacking community is huge.

It might be a hack to add channels such as the FREE Virtual Console channel.


Heh, when keyboards are mass produced for the Wii. We will have cool new things such as IRC clients. This will be something fun to screw with.
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Posted on 09-16-06 09:08 PM Link | Quote
Depends how strong the DRM is and all. :\ I can see the Wii being a great system for enthusiasts to... play around with, but we'll see how open it is to such things.
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Posted on 09-16-06 10:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kingpin
Originally posted by HyperHacker
So what... it costs $250, the controllers are expensive, you have to buy the browser, and now pointless region coding?

This is getting to be more and more of a letdown.


$250 is cheap, so that isn't a letdown. Controllers are cheap, especially considering each one is its own GPS system more or less. Buying a browser really doesnt matter. Surfing on a computer is much better anyway. Region coding is still up in there since there are so many different answers. I don't see the big deal with it anyway.

I don't see how anything is a letdown so far.


$250 is expensive for a Nintendo console. $40 is expensive for a controller regardless of what crazy devices it contains. Other consoles already bundle a browser right in the firmware, and doing that would allow cool additional features that wouldn't be as feasible when having to buy the browser. There's plenty of uses for surfing on a game console, especially if there's no computer in the room (eg if it's in the living room). Region coding is completely pointless (when it's legal to bypass a form of "protection", there's a problem with the protection) and makes it a pain for people who want to import games.
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Posted on 09-17-06 03:55 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Thexare
Originally posted by Colin
All three aren't one device and you get the remote/nunchuck when you buy a GC.

When you buy a GC?

Originally posted by Ailure
Infact it wasn't free as in beer until recently, probably to make it more popular.


... beer's free in Sweden? Don't tell NSNick that...

Too late, my ticket's already booked. Clear off the couch, Ailure.
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Posted on 09-17-06 04:24 AM Link | Quote
Maybe the Region-Encoding is again that easy to bypass as with gamecube?

If yes. Don't care... and else. I may own two or more Wiis.
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Posted on 09-17-06 07:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ailure
Infact it wasn't free as in beer until recently, probably to make it more popular.
... beer's free in Sweden? Don't tell NSNick that...
It's what open source people call freeware programs and saying that there's diffrence between free and gratis.

Meh the region thing dosen't bother me as I never import stuff anyway. I just can't bother with it and rather wait a few months in worst case.

And I don't see a problem with the price, considering it probably goes down within months i'm sure. Might just be trying to gain extra money at christmas... hey this is company after all.
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Posted on 09-17-06 07:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by Kingpin
Originally posted by HyperHacker
So what... it costs $250, the controllers are expensive, you have to buy the browser, and now pointless region coding?

This is getting to be more and more of a letdown.


$250 is cheap, so that isn't a letdown. Controllers are cheap, especially considering each one is its own GPS system more or less. Buying a browser really doesnt matter. Surfing on a computer is much better anyway. Region coding is still up in there since there are so many different answers. I don't see the big deal with it anyway.

I don't see how anything is a letdown so far.


$250 is expensive for a Nintendo console. $40 is expensive for a controller regardless of what crazy devices it contains. Other consoles already bundle a browser right in the firmware, and doing that would allow cool additional features that wouldn't be as feasible when having to buy the browser. There's plenty of uses for surfing on a game console, especially if there's no computer in the room (eg if it's in the living room). Region coding is completely pointless (when it's legal to bypass a form of "protection", there's a problem with the protection) and makes it a pain for people who want to import games.

$250 is expensive for a Nintendo Console? Why is that relevant when you consider how much cheaper it (still) is compared to the other two consoles? And.. honestly, it is only $50 more expensive than any of their previous consoles.. and it allows playability of all those previous consoles too.. Hmm, yes, seems reasonable to increase the price a tad. Besides, it is packed with a controller and a game as well.

Besides, it has been said for months now that the price would probably be between $200-250.. A lot of people just took that as "Oh, yay! $200!" without considering for a second that.. indeed, more realistically it would be $250. This should not be surprising at all, it isn't a let down either, and again.. it is still much cheaper than the alternatives.

Next, $40 may be expensive for a controller.. but it is not a normal controller. Do you expect them to suffer a loss on the controller, just to keep the prices lower? Nintendo has been making a profit on everything they've sold in recent (and otherwise for the most part) years.. Microsoft and Sony have been shooting themselves in the foot, anticipating a profit to make up for it in the long run instead.. And STILL their prices add up higher than Nintendo's on average, that's really something to consider..

Honestly, this isn't very expensive for what it does. More expensive than you are used to maybe.. but still less expensive than the alternatives. It IS the machine itself you want, right? I can't see why dollar signs alone are a "let down" when it is the console and what it can do that matters.

As for the Opera Browser.. Opera isn't free anyway, is it? I imagine it was up to Opera to sell it, not Nintendo.. But sure, they could have found someone else to do their browser software for them, which could have been free.. Eh though, coulda shoulda woulda.. Doesn't matter how often people might surf on the television either, if someone actually wants to that badly.. they can just pay up. Me personally, I'd never have used the damn thing anyway. My computer is right next to the TV..

As for the Region Locking.. I don't like it either in general, however they do it for a reason ya know? They want to control the market the console is released in.. That way, if a game is released in the EU and the US, and the US one is cheaper to import.. they use the lock to sway you into buying the EU version anyway.. If there were no lock, and everyone imported - there would be some problems eventually.. Like it or not, it has a purpose. And besides.. all prior Nintendo consoles had region locking, and all of them were EASY to bypass! I don't expect this one to be much different!
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Posted on 09-17-06 02:42 PM Link | Quote
I just found out from the guys at my gamestop that there is most likely going to be a special where you can turn in your gamecube and possibly a few games and get a significant price drop for the wii. This is not fact but they were hinting that it might happen. (Dang! I hope it does!)
HyperHacker

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Posted on 09-17-06 03:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cara Zeltina
$250 is expensive for a Nintendo Console? Why is that relevant when you consider how much cheaper it (still) is compared to the other two consoles? And.. honestly, it is only $50 more expensive than any of their previous consoles.. and it allows playability of all those previous consoles too.. Hmm, yes, seems reasonable to increase the price a tad. Besides, it is packed with a controller and a game as well.

If Wii Sports is indeed a full game and not just a crappy tech demo like Luigi's Mansion, then I can see it being worth the extra money, but I doubt this is the case. The price of others is irrelevant; a bit like saying kicking puppies is OK because there are much worse things you could do. Backward compatibility might be worth the extra $50 if I could use my existing cartridges somehow, but when you have to buy the game again, it can hardly be considered compatibility at all.

Besides, it has been said for months now that the price would probably be between $200-250.. A lot of people just took that as "Oh, yay! $200!" without considering for a second that.. indeed, more realistically it would be $250. This should not be surprising at all, it isn't a let down either, and again.. it is still much cheaper than the alternatives.

Fair enough, but do realize that assuming this means $200 is not unreasonable when that's been the price of so many before.

Next, $40 may be expensive for a controller.. but it is not a normal controller. Do you expect them to suffer a loss on the controller, just to keep the prices lower? Nintendo has been making a profit on everything they've sold in recent (and otherwise for the most part) years.. Microsoft and Sony have been shooting themselves in the foot, anticipating a profit to make up for it in the long run instead.. And STILL their prices add up higher than Nintendo's on average, that's really something to consider..

I doubt a few buttons, a wireless transmitter and a motion sensor add up to $40, especially when buying in bulk. Advanced or not, $40 is still a hefty price just to be able to play the games.

Honestly, this isn't very expensive for what it does. More expensive than you are used to maybe.. but still less expensive than the alternatives. It IS the machine itself you want, right? I can't see why dollar signs alone are a "let down" when it is the console and what it can do that matters.

The prices are only part of the issue. There's also region coding, having to buy games that I already own again, and having to buy a browser that could easily have been included free with the system.

As for the Opera Browser.. Opera isn't free anyway, is it? I imagine it was up to Opera to sell it, not Nintendo.. But sure, they could have found someone else to do their browser software for them, which could have been free.. Eh though, coulda shoulda woulda.. Doesn't matter how often people might surf on the television either, if someone actually wants to that badly.. they can just pay up. Me personally, I'd never have used the damn thing anyway. My computer is right next to the TV..

Opera became free a few months ago. Not everyone has their TV next to their computer; again, mine would probably be in the living room most of the time, and there's no computer there.

As for the Region Locking.. I don't like it either in general, however they do it for a reason ya know? They want to control the market the console is released in.. That way, if a game is released in the EU and the US, and the US one is cheaper to import.. they use the lock to sway you into buying the EU version anyway.. If there were no lock, and everyone imported - there would be some problems eventually.. Like it or not, it has a purpose. And besides.. all prior Nintendo consoles had region locking, and all of them were EASY to bypass! I don't expect this one to be much different!

Being easy to bypass doesn't change the fact that it's there, and being present on older consoles doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. If it's cheaper to have a game shipped to you from another country than to buy one at the local store, there's a problem. Which seems a better solution? "Price the games the same or similar in all markets so that importing is more expensive" or "Stick up their pooper and force them to pay the arbitrarily higher price"? And of course, those who want a game that was never released in their country, or who speak Japanese and prefer the original Japanese version of a game to a poor English translation (pretty common, really) are boned.
With game consoles it's even worse since they offer no option to change the region if you move to another country.
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Posted on 09-17-06 05:22 PM Link | Quote
There is a clear reason for a price increase. Inflation. We are lucky the Wii isn't $400, which is probably where it should be due to inflation,
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Posted on 09-17-06 05:25 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tanks
I just found out from the guys at my gamestop that there is most likely going to be a special where you can turn in your gamecube and possibly a few games and get a significant price drop for the wii. This is not fact but they were hinting that it might happen. (Dang! I hope it does!)


Haven't heard a thing about this yet...heck, we don't even know if we're taking reserves on the system as of yet.

But my guess they'll be some trade-in special when you trade in your GC. We had a special when you trade in a DS or a GBS SP and you would get the DS Lite at a cheaper price.
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Posted on 09-17-06 06:18 PM Link | Quote
Hey, if it means $30-40 off the console, I'll gladly trade in my GameCube.
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Posted on 09-18-06 06:09 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Hey, if it means $30-40 off the console, I'll gladly trade in my GameCube.


Highly agreed.

Considering we will be able to play GC games. Too bad you can't trade in your NES, SNES, and N64 games if you can download it.... but I like collecting them anyways I guess....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24998743

(edited by Coldspyll on 09-21-06 05:23 PM)
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Posted on 09-18-06 06:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Coldspyll
Originally posted by Colin
Hey, if it means $30-40 off the console, I'll gladly trade in my GameCube.

Too bad you can't trade in your NES, SNES, and N64 games if you can download it.... but I like collecting them anyways I guess....


That´d be like trading in my childhood memories. At least the NES. Those games can be worth quite much in 15-20 years. I don´t have any Gamecube either so I´ll have to buy it at the original price.
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Posted on 09-18-06 07:13 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Colin
Hey, if it means $30-40 off the console, I'll gladly trade in my GameCube.

I would agree if I didn't use my Gamecube to play my GBA games - I doubt the Game Boy Player will work with the Wii.
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Posted on 09-18-06 10:48 PM Link | Quote
It doesn't. But on the flip side, you really should look into a DS.
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