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Posted on 09-12-06 02:11 AM Link | Quote
I, like others, was in highschool when it happened. We were turning on the tv to watch the school daily news when some footage of the Twin Towers came on.

Since I was born in New York, and lived there for like.. 12 years before moving to Florida, I was like "Hey! It's the Twin Towers! Man, I miss.. what?" I realized what was going on, and confusion took control of me.

My dad works as a taxi driver in Manhatten, and while we were never close, I still cared for him, and I became worried about him, since he could've been in the area. Thankfully, he wasn't, but he was still able to see what was happening.

After all these years, I don't think much about it, only when I see a picture of New York. When I thought of the city side of New York, the Twin Towers are one of the first things that come to my mind. I'm okay with things upgrading.. or evolving.. But I rarely ever like change... And it still doesn't feel normal to not see those buildings there whenever I see a picture of New York. It's like a missing tooth. Feels kinda weird.

Aside from people overhyping, and the movies (I seriously think that recent movie is waaay too early, atleast in this era), I get annoyed at my thoughts of what things could've been like if it never happened. I know there were plenty of things that were to be unveiled on that day, and they got no notice because of the tragedy.... Fortunately, that annoyance goes away after the commercial ends, or when I get back to working on whatever it was I was working on.

... Okay, I think I'm done rambling.
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Posted on 09-12-06 04:05 AM Link | Quote
I've actually read a lot of posts on different message boards today about how people were depressed for weeks after it, discovered a new love for America, etc... and none of their loved ones were hurt/killed in the attacks.

I understand that some people are patriotic and might handle it differently, but there are extremes. Such as...

I went to bed in fear that I wouldn't wake up or that I'd wake up to the same thing. The next day, I lit some candles in the grotto at Notre Dame and said a prayer. I went back home, laid in bed, and continued to watch the news. That's all I did for the next couple months. I really didn't have a meal until my birthday on 10/31/01 and that was because my mom and girlfriend forced me to go out. I ended up losing about 20 to 30 lbs. in that time. I just stopped living. I felt like all of those people died and I was still here, so what reason did I have to function on a normal basis if I was going to end up meeting the same fate. Slowly I recovered, but even to this day all I do is think about what happened. I haven't really been the same since and I can never justify myself being truly happy because there's 1,000's of others who will never be happy ever again. That's how I rember 9/11/01. I hope nothing like that or worse than that ever happens again.

I mean, my take on the above would be that said person probably has some psychological problems that need to be taken care of before spewing this out.

Was it a terrible event? Hell yes. Should you still be heavily affected by it and "not the same" five years later if you didn't have a personal attachment to the attacks? I'm not so sure.
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Posted on 09-12-06 05:21 AM Link | Quote
I didn't even watch TV today. Mainly because my sick brother was and I didn't want to go near him, heh.
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Posted on 09-12-06 07:52 AM Link | Quote
I was supposed to be at school, but I had too many unexcused absences, and lost credit, so I just stopped going. So I slept through the whole thing. When I woke up my friend was talking on the phone to his mom. I heard him say "The Pentagon?". I was still groggy so I thought maybe I was in some kind of trouble. After that I just watched the news all day. I really didn't know how to feel about it. I was of course upset, because of the large loss of life. When I hear of thousands dying, I can't help but think of tens of thousands who lost loved ones. But there seemed to be some sort of mourning on a national level, and I just didn't feel that. I didn't feel personally effected by it. In the months afterwards there seemed to be this huge surge of patriotism, which I didn't really understand. Everyone had flags on the cars now. But they eventually faded, and they didn't replace them and everyone generally moved on with their lives.

Don't get me wrong, though. I have nothing against patriotism. I complain about the government. I complain about the President. I complain about the way my tax dollars are spent. And not spent. But the fact that I can complain is not something I take for granted. This country was founded on the concept of basic inalienable rights. A concept that we haven't always lived up to. But I see more as what we can be rather than what we always are. Simply working towards that, by actually using my right to protest, to me seems far more patriotic then attaching some piece of polyester to my car mirror until it fades or falls off. No, I'd didn't identify with the nation as a whole by mourning over people I never met and buildings I've only seen in pictures (only to forget about it until two of the numbers in the date happen to be the same). And I never got one of those little metal flag buttons to wear on my shirt. But somehow I feel more American then those who did.

I know, alot of that was kind of off on a tangent, but oh well.
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Posted on 09-12-06 07:56 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by emcee
I know, alot of that was kind of off on a tangent, but oh well.
And yet it's my favorite post in this theread.

I salute you for your excellence.
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Posted on 09-12-06 10:39 AM Link | Quote
I can't remember all the details but after the 1st or 2nd hit I went to Dunkin Donughts and came home to find that the Pentagon had been hit. I knew by then that something big was happening.
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Posted on 09-12-06 12:37 PM Link | Quote
On that matter, I really wonder if there's a single day out of a year's 365 which isn't the anniversary of some massacre with civilian casualties way over 3000.
I am also fairly positive that the US armed forces murdered a number of uninvolved civilians ten times as large, if not higher, of civilians among the lines of their subsequent "crusade against terror". What makes that any different from 9/11?
I'm not the kind of person to come up with statements like "the Iraq war was illegitimate". Legitimation, or ethical background, or whether it is "right" to do something in a moralistic sense is an arbitrary issue, and if the US government wants to go to war somewhere to save their reelection, it is nothing but their own choice, just as it is up to any other nation or individual to complain against it as much as they like or do whatever they want. (The fact that the Iraq war was obviously wrong from a purely pragmatic point of view - it costs billions and brings the "anti-terror coalition" nothing but more men with destroyed lives for whom bombing themselves in a shopping mall and going to heaven is the last thread of hope they can cling onto - is beyond my point)
If I had the chance to speak to a stereotypical US American patriot audience, I would still feel urged to place the following requests-
- Stop being whiny childish dumbnuts, sitting before your always-running television set in awe as the death of US soldier #1000 in Iraq is announced. This is what war is about, and you wanted to go to war so badly, so deal with it.
- Stop that damn 9/11 cult. It is not less pathetic than how thousands of fanboys all over the world who had never heard about that person before became sorrowful Princess Diana fans over the night she died in that car accident and started building up shrines at their homes. Same deal there. You treat it as something special when it really happens often enough to have memorial days every single day of a year. If you really need the drama, why don't you introduce a "Princess Diana, John F.Kennedy, George Washington, Battle of Gettysburg, 9/11 and Death of the 1000th US soldier in Iraq combined memorial day" on, e.g., the arithmetic average of the single dates? That would spare the necessity to make TV specials and message board threads 37834683 times a year. I don't want to offend those who were personally affected by the events, through losing somebody close to them or what-not, but I could imagine that the vast majority of those who spent the previous day spamming "NEVER FORGET" over every single communication interface to the external world they have about as much of a personal connection to the events as to the murdering of the Russian royal family when the communists seized power.
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Posted on 09-12-06 02:10 PM Link | Quote
Well... It only really sunk in a few days ago when a movie-type thing aired on TV here.
I was bored, and there was nothing on TV except for the bombings on the day.
...Other than that... MAI BIRTHDAY!
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Posted on 09-12-06 02:29 PM Link | Quote
I was in Grade 4 when it happened, and being in Canada and being younger, it didn't affect me all that much. I was like "Oh, whatever, cool" and left.
Now that it's five years later, I'm starting to think of it as a really sad tragedy, but the publicity it gets is a bit too much. I mean that by the thousands of documentaries and even a movie...

It is quite sad to think of how many people lost loved ones that day, and are probably still grieving over it. But the rest of America has gone back to normal, or so it seems. I think they want to pretend it just never happened, there are no terrorists, just a bunch of US soldiers in Iraq for no reason. Now this is just my point of view, you're reading a 14-year old's thoughts on this
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Posted on 09-12-06 06:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by blackhole89
On that matter, I really wonder if there's a single day out of a year's 365 which isn't the anniversary of some massacre with civilian casualties way over 3000.
I am also fairly positive that the US armed forces murdered a number of uninvolved civilians ten times as large, if not higher, of civilians among the lines of their subsequent "crusade against terror". What makes that any different from 9/11?
I'm not the kind of person to come up with statements like "the Iraq war was illegitimate". Legitimation, or ethical background, or whether it is "right" to do something in a moralistic sense is an arbitrary issue, and if the US government wants to go to war somewhere to save their reelection, it is nothing but their own choice, just as it is up to any other nation or individual to complain against it as much as they like or do whatever they want. (The fact that the Iraq war was obviously wrong from a purely pragmatic point of view - it costs billions and brings the "anti-terror coalition" nothing but more men with destroyed lives for whom bombing themselves in a shopping mall and going to heaven is the last thread of hope they can cling onto - is beyond my point)
If I had the chance to speak to a stereotypical US American patriot audience, I would still feel urged to place the following requests-
- Stop being whiny childish dumbnuts, sitting before your always-running television set in awe as the death of US soldier #1000 in Iraq is announced. This is what war is about, and you wanted to go to war so badly, so deal with it.
- Stop that damn 9/11 cult. It is not less pathetic than how thousands of fanboys all over the world who had never heard about that person before became sorrowful Princess Diana fans over the night she died in that car accident and started building up shrines at their homes. Same deal there. You treat it as something special when it really happens often enough to have memorial days every single day of a year. If you really need the drama, why don't you introduce a "Princess Diana, John F.Kennedy, George Washington, Battle of Gettysburg, 9/11 and Death of the 1000th US soldier in Iraq combined memorial day" on, e.g., the arithmetic average of the single dates? That would spare the necessity to make TV specials and message board threads 37834683 times a year. I don't want to offend those who were personally affected by the events, through losing somebody close to them or what-not, but I could imagine that the vast majority of those who spent the previous day spamming "NEVER FORGET" over every single communication interface to the external world they have about as much of a personal connection to the events as to the murdering of the Russian royal family when the communists seized power.


THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. YOU ARE DEFILING THE MEMORY OF THOSE POOR SOULS. YOU SHOULD GTFO AND STFU BECAUSE AN EUROPEAN SUCH AS YOU HAS NO IDEA OF HOW AMERICANS FEEL!!!!!!!


(edited by Dei on 09-12-06 08:58 PM)
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Posted on 09-12-06 06:28 PM Link | Quote
Wrong. I'm American and I essentially said the same exact thing. BH is right, and just because he is European doesn't mean he can't make rational judgements as to the American obsession with their people dying and no other deaths meaning anything to them. And for the record, an emotion-filled retort with no supporting information as to why you feel that way really accomplishes nothing. The huge text says it all, you're just being emotional like all the others, and not thinking clearly about the world as a whole; there is a world outside of the borders of the United States, and everyone should try and remember that before crying for the deaths of some and not others who may have suffered worse and more unjust deaths.
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Posted on 09-12-06 06:40 PM Link | Quote
I find Mr. Zefrank’s take on the whole thing the most interesting.

http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/09/091106.html

There’s no extraneous nonsense at all, there is a political message, but it’s mostly sentiment.

If we concentrate on much else we'll just get angry at ourselves or others.
Blue Warrior

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Posted on 09-12-06 07:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dei
Originally posted by blackhole89
[insert blackhole's quite large post here]


THIS IS TOTALLY UNACC--

Shut up. And please, do me a favor and not use such enormous text.

But, yeah, more seriously, I must agree with emcee, Blackhole, and Dr. Death wholeheartedly on the subject.


(edited by Blue Warrior on 09-12-06 06:39 PM)
(edited by Blue Warrior on 09-12-06 06:40 PM)
(edited by Blue Warrior on 09-12-06 06:42 PM)
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Posted on 09-12-06 08:40 PM Link | Quote
Oh hey guys, what's this?

[11:40:37] <@blackhole89> http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?pid=159475&r=1#159475
[11:40:45] <@blackhole89> I wonder how long until somebody yells at me over the internet
[11:41:14] <@blackhole89> that this is totally inacceptable and I am defiling the memory and I should gtfo because as a European I have no idea anyway etc etc etc


(edited by Thayer on 09-12-06 07:42 PM)
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Posted on 09-12-06 08:57 PM Link | Quote
Okay, well, either way Dei failed at being funniez.
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Posted on 09-12-06 09:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Danielle
Okay, well, either way Dei failed at being funniez.

Yeah, just nevermind the fact that I used all caps AND size AND bold AND underline AND everything else to imply the effect that I was joking.
Jeez, you guys have no sense of humor anyway.

Originally posted by Blue Warrior

Shut up. And please, do me a favor and not use such enormous text.


Backseat mod a bit more, it really amuses me. Also, don't tell me to shut up. Ever. Or you're gonna get shafted like you are now.



(edited by Dei on 09-12-06 09:00 PM)
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Originally posted by Dei
Originally posted by Danielle
Okay, well, either way Dei failed at being funniez.

Yeah, just nevermind the fact that I used all caps AND size AND bold AND underline AND everything else to imply the effect that I was joking.

Jeez, you guys have no sense of humor anyway.


Actually reading through this thread, I think most of them don't have any sense at all.
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Posted on 09-12-06 10:00 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dei
Originally posted by Danielle
Okay, well, either way Dei failed at being funniez.

Yeah, just nevermind the fact that I used all caps AND size AND bold AND underline AND everything else to imply the effect that I was joking.

Jeez, you guys have no sense of humor anyway.


I can't read emotion through this. It sounded like a real whining rant to me.

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Originally posted by Dr_Death16
Originally posted by Dei
Originally posted by Danielle
Okay, well, either way Dei failed at being funniez.

Yeah, just nevermind the fact that I used all caps AND size AND bold AND underline AND everything else to imply the effect that I was joking.

Jeez, you guys have no sense of humor anyway.


I can't read emotion through this. It sounded like a real whining rant to me.

*Dr_Death16 kicks the Internet for being deceptive

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I went to bed in fear that I wouldn't wake up or that I'd wake up to the same thing. The next day, I lit some candles in the grotto at Notre Dame and said a prayer. I went back home, laid in bed, and continued to watch the news. That's all I did for the next couple months. I really didn't have a meal until my birthday on 10/31/01 and that was because my mom and girlfriend forced me to go out. I ended up losing about 20 to 30 lbs. in that time. I just stopped living. I felt like all of those people died and I was still here, so what reason did I have to function on a normal basis if I was going to end up meeting the same fate. Slowly I recovered, but even to this day all I do is think about what happened. I haven't really been the same since and I can never justify myself being up to no good started makin' trouble in my neighbourhood, I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, She said 'You're movin with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air!' I whistled for a cab and when i came near, the license plate said 'Fresh' and had dice in the mirror, If anything i could say that this cab was rare, But I thought 'Nah, forget it - Yo, home to Bel-Air!' I pulled up to the house at bout seven or eight, I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo home, smell ya later!' I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there! To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air!
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