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Rom Manic                 Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Actually, the point was that Microsoft willingly agreed to provide the software and hardware that prevents people from China from having a full view of the internet, as well as any other freedom of speech.
If you ask me, they should be kicked out of America. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places    Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic For following the laws of a country they were doing business in? |
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Trax Red Tektite Since: 05-01-06 From: Québec Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Laws are just laws...
They don't account for common sense or ethics... |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| That's true. You can't get fined for not using common sense or for unethical business practices unless those things also happen to be illegal.
I'm not sure what you people are having so much trouble with about this. |
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Trax Red Tektite Since: 05-01-06 From: Québec Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Actually, that's not what I meant...
I say, Microsoft can't take away the right of an entire country to connect to the Internet, let alone a single user. They aren't a kind of network police, no matter how much they'd like to. Internet was not developed to be treated like simple merchandise... |
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anoobshobby Mini Octorok  Since: 08-23-06 From: Chicago, Illinois Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotakuOriginally posted by Rom ManicWhat exactly goes wrong? And what incentive does Microsoft have to do such a thing to china, and why china? I highly doubt that given the amount of methods of communication we have on this planet, that all avenues of communication will give the exact same information... Considering that China's Government has been rumered to say that they will assist North Korea should anything happen to their "little Brother." I can see why people could see MS as a US advantage over China. Especially with what North Korea has been up to. I'm not for or against anything here and I'm in the military. How something like this could be seen in many different lights is scary, but I'm certain that nothing will be done for the time being. I mean if someone can steal their way into a polital office then a computer firm can run a nation's network as a blantant sign of manuering for the sole purpose fesibly covering their home nation in return for a foavor or two. What concerns me, who's going to clean up the mess if it comes down to that? |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| @Thexare: So let congress abolish Net Neutrality while we're at it.
lol no harm done amirite?
Not take it away, restrict it to what the Chinese Government wants them to see. Nothing more. (edited by Rom Manic on 08-24-06 07:51 PM) (edited by Rom Manic on 08-24-06 07:53 PM) |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6456 days Last view: 6456 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic END OF DISCUSSION. seriously, you guys need to stop whining about microsoft OBEYING LOCAL LAWS. Get mad at china, not microsoft, I don't know why this discussion is still going, really. Google does the same thing, it boasts that it doesn't censor, but they at the same time admit that they have to obey the laws of the country they're working in. As for this whole internet nuetrality thing, it's just a bullshit conspiracy theory. Do you have any idea how dumb that is from a business standpoint? Yeah, let's piss off our customers by restricting the internet, so the minute something genuinely nuetral comes along/our competitors become neutral for the sake of competition, we'll be demolished. Now if internet service were a monopoly, then there would be something to worry about. But since there's competition pretty much everywhere, I don't see the issue being something that will realistically happen. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Zer0wned,
You're right, it is the end of the discussion, because it's been getting a little wild. I'm going to go ahead and close it. 
EDIT: Reopened. Now play nicely. (edited by beneficii on 08-28-06 03:59 AM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| So hold on here a second. Censoring websites is OK in another country, but when it comes to YOUR internet freedom you have something to say? What kind of hypocrisy is this? | |||
sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6436 days Last view: 6436 days |
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| We're not going to "free" the Chinese from their censorship. I don't care if we do have Jack Bauer on our side. It's up to the Chinese to revolt, protest, overthrow, cower, or whatever else they want to do. Microsoft isn't going to let censorship ruin a very lucrative deal for them. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Too little, too late. And Microsoft has it's business to attend to, but it's WRONG. | |||
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic You know something? I don't even have to write new posts anymore. You keep going in circles, so I can just quote people that've already posted here. Of course, you're not listening at all, so I don't know why I bother. Originally posted by Zer0wned |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6456 days Last view: 6456 days |
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| @thexare
personally, I think that sandrocklq's response fit as a reply a little better, but I guess mine works too |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| No, we're not.
But a company should have the interest in human social justice to not trade with authoritarian dictatorships. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| You people are fucked...Do you worship Authoritarianism on a daily basis, or is this only when it's me arguing with you? (edited by Rom Manic on 08-29-06 07:10 PM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic But China's not fascist. Just say authoritarianism. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Is what I was getting at. Fixed. |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6456 days Last view: 6456 days |
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| *sniiiip'd*
To me it seems that as of recent, more and more of these types of governmental power trips are not only weakening, but dissappearing as a whole anyway. The rate of exchange in knowledge empowers people more and more, even if in some places the information is censored on few topics. The issue enlies with china and its people, and about the people that wish to also step in and help. This is not about a business doing what it does, BUSINESS. I'm not gonna say that in any other variation again Besides, as I see it, chinese citizens in a position of complete liberty will likely do themselves in. You know the whole population problem? Say they revolt and get complete democracy, yay. Know what's gonna happen after that, regardless of current overpopulation issues? They're guna fuck like RABBITS. There's a limit on children they can have right now, if that gets dropped and they're free to breed as they wish, things are going to get a lot worse. Most of china is in third world status, last thing areas like that ever need is MORE people. It may not be considered right by most people, but the government in place almost always has the country's best interests in mind, how they go about doing it is sometimes objectionable, or even counter-effective. More of a half-assed attempt at EDIT: Plus Sign Abomination's got a point there  ... Unnecessary part removed.(edited by Zer0wned on 08-29-06 11:06 PM) (edited by Zer0wned on 08-29-06 11:11 PM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| So, zer0wned.
There is this thing called ad hominem. Rom Maniac may have done it. But you really shouldn't either. |
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