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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - General Chat - It's a glorious day for P2P; 'closing letter' delivered to RIAA, MIAA, etc. |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ                    Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6466 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| Go here to see the details. If you want to hop on the bandwagon, the website for it can be found here, which also provides information on how the system works.
If you don't know what this means, think of it this way. Someone can possibly copyright the number 15. However, they cannot claim both 3 and 5 fall under that copyright, as when you multiply the two, you arrive at the copyrighted number. That's basically the same system this uses, except on a much larger, wider scale. Each file can more or less be said to be a really long number. What this system does is trade meaningless blocks of data that only form the file when collected and processed at each end. Each block could be part of everything. Therefore, the system will prove difficult to be used for lawsuits, since each transaction of blocks could be parts of harmless and legal files. The site for the program provides a much better explanation than I can describe, so check that out if you want to hear about it in detail. |
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||bass Administrator   Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6466 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| I understand the point you're trying to make but, for clarification, it's not possible to copyright, patent, or trademark a number. That's why Intel's trademark for 80386 and 80486 were both thrown out. Thats why they came up with the name PENTium when the 586 series chips came out. | |||
FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos  Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| OFF sounds neat, but it fails for not providing source code. What the hell is SourceForge allowing nowadays? It was going downhill a few years ago, but now this is sad. | |||
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOS + NO SOURCE MEANS GAH I HATE THIS PROGRAM sigh |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6574 days Last view: 6574 days |
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| Like most of the millions of people downloading off the internet really give a fuck about source code?
I read the letter and all. I think I've made my viewpoint clear on this before: You cannot justify internet piracy. This isn't going to make the situation better. In fact, if it works around current laws like it claims to, I think it's going to make it worse. "I know, we'll find a way to transfer files so discreetly that they'll have no CHOICE but to employ lawsuits to protect their intellectual material!" (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-15-06 01:55 PM) |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| Yeah, when I don't use Windows... it matters. Because I can't mess with it at all. | |||
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6574 days Last view: 6574 days |
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Originally posted by FreeDOS + I feel your pain, but you're in the minority here. They get to choose wether to spend time working with other OSes or not. The more I think about this, the more stupid I think it is. They will find a way to sue for it, and if they don't it will get appealed to higher courts and they'll create a way to be sued for it. Not to mention that the media industry is somehow villianized for asking to be paid for it's services. (Last sentance slightly edited) (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-15-06 02:07 PM) |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| I'm not convinced that this is what every pirate wishes for. Just because somebody makes a letter explaining that the bits in files add up to a number... doesn't necessarily mean that the ??AA will listen. Already, an MP3 is an audio file with frequencies and samples removed, but the fact that it still sounds like the original audio makes them illegal to distribute if you never got permission to distribute the audio. It's similar to copying a CD to cassette tape, selling them, and claiming it's not the same as the original so it's legal. Networks work with fragmented IP packets all the time, P2P networks randomize the order further; do the massive associations care? Not at all. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| This is the same type of argument that sites with torrent files and ed2k links give. They aren't actually offering copyrighted material, just chunks of numbers (hashes) that refer to the copyrighted material. However the Supreme court has already set a precedence that simply offering software or a service that seems to encouraged copyright infringement, is in itself illegal. | |||
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6574 days Last view: 6574 days |
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| FreeDos, I was looking for better words for this too, and it hit me when I read your post:
It's intellectual property. You can own something that's intangible. You can own the idea of something. For example, there is too little physical money to fill out everyone's bank accounts with actual money, but we trade rights to money using other methods, like credit cards. This isn't a GREAT example, but I think it gets my point across. The fact that you can put these blocks together illegaly to create copyrighted files still should mean that this is illegal. Or at least, if it isn't illegal, it will become illegal sometime soon. Besides, if they were only sharing legal files... why bother with going through this whole process? (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-15-06 03:04 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-15-06 03:08 PM) |
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Simon Belmont Except I'm totally fucking hyped about Dracula X: Chronicles.  Since: 11-18-05 From: Pittsburgh Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwow QFT. it's not going to be legal any way you do it, so just accept that what you're doing can get you in trouble. More ways to do something means that companies will put more effort into stopping you. |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwow This is exactly what's making me laugh so much. If I needed to share legal files, securely, I can use sftp. Hell I can use sftp to securely transfer illegal content also (any medium that restricts illegal content is not a medium I will use; since that implies I cannot trust it to send legal content anyway). There's very little practical point I actually see here. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6602 days Last view: 6602 days |
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| Bottom line: It's still illegal to download copyright material.
The RIAA needs to remember that the more they tighten their grip, the more they'll let slip through their fingers. With the internet there is no longer a need for major recording labels. Artists can just distribute their work directly through the internet. And if I lose the ability to download anime, I know I will become a very grumpy person. |
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Darkdata   980  Since: 02-25-06 From: Newfoundland Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| When (music stole here). Lets me get the Anime music/video game music I like then we can talk.
The sourcecode can be found, I found the link a while ago. Edit: Ta-da? Also this idea is kinda cool, even not looking it it from a thief standpoint. Well thats my two cents anyway  (edited by Darkdata on 08-15-06 05:18 PM) (edited by Darkdata on 08-15-06 05:18 PM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| There are many reasons for this failing soon.
1) So you can make 12 with many different formulas. You can also make chocolate chip cookies with different formula's, but it's still a fucking chocolate chip cookie. 2) Digital Data is not real. Acoustic vibrations (In the case of music sharing) is real. If what you hear is exactly the same as what someone has copyrighted, it's still the same thing. In the case of video sharing, you still see and hear the movie, and just because it's different on your PC doesn't make it a different file. 3) IT'S STILL PIRACY.. Can I make it any simpler? The RIAA, MPAA, and such companies will find other ways, of course (They pay analysts to do this for them), to find a way to beat the system. I'm for the innovation, but I'm in cockblock mode right now, so bear with me. |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| You're right, though. This is the stupidest idea I've heard all day. I find this all very amusing. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6465 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| Something I drew to illustrate the situation at hand.
SERIOUS BUSINESS. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6494 days Last view: 6472 days |
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Originally posted by XkeeperOriginally posted by FreeDOS + Well, he didn't say he hated it, and providing the sourcecode for your program is a good idea the vast majority of the time. edit: Rom Manic, that's a completely wrong assessment of what this is. They'd have a hard time getting this shut down; I mean, they had a hard enough time with torrent trackers in the US. (edited by windwaker on 08-15-06 10:22 PM) (edited by windwaker on 08-15-06 10:23 PM) |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6466 days Last view: 6465 days |
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| Yes. It's still piracy. You people seem to be missing the most critical point though. The idea is that it makes it impossible to prosecute because all the information looks the same. It's like saying you can't sell copies of the Harry Potter books. It's true but you CAN sell books about shoe repair where if you read every 12th word, it just happens to be one of the books. Yes it's wrong and the publisher would be pissed. They couldn't however prosecute you because you never sold the potter book, you sold basic shoe repair.
Remember, knowing something and proving it in court are two TOTALLY different things. PS: Stop imming me. I know that my analogy is totally different than how the technology works and that's because most of you are too damn stupid to understand the process anyway. (edited by ||bass on 08-15-06 10:43 PM) |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6494 days Last view: 6472 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass They'd probably go by "so are you saying that a book where every 12th word is equal to a page of a Harry Potter book is ILLEGAL? The courts would become so bloated!" |
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