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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain                     Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| So I made a pact with Kirbynite to never play a game on anything other than the hardest difficulty setting ever again.
I got Imperishable Night tonight. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's a top-down shooter from a series of what are called "Curtain Shooters"; top-downs that specialize in intricate bullet patterns that you have to fly through in order to survive. If you don't, you're dead. The game Imperishable Night is, I believe, the most recent game in this particular series ("Touhou", which translates from Japanese into "The East"). Now, there are four difficulty settings. There's Easy, Normal, Hard, and Lunatic mode. Thinking I'd be able to at least get by maybe a level or two before I was able to get a royal buttwhooping from the game, I started on Lunatic mode. I lasted six seconds before my first death. I feel the best way to show just how terrifying this game is would be to link you all to this page, a Wikipedia entry showing an ingame screenshot. Find the ship (actually a little mage girl) and you get bonus points. This is the one game thus far that is making me regret my decision. Have you ever considered trying something like this? Playing every game on Hardest mode is a very interesting experience, but it's also very tough and at times frustrating. On the bright side, I can kick my little sister's ass in Puyo Pop Fever now. (edited by Grey on 07-29-06 03:41 AM) |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6305 days Last view: 6301 days |
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No way. I appreciate a decent challenge, but I don't have any fun when the game is too difficult for me. I'll play hard mode when normal is too easy (and therefore boring), but I have no desire to do so by default. There's a range along the difficulty curve where you're challenged enough that proceeding involves effort, but you're not getting constantly pounded into the ground, and that's where I like to play. I have to feel that I'm making progress, otherwise the gaming experience is a chore. Also, constantly doing things over and only proceeding a tiny amount each time (if you even proceed at all) is an inefficient way for me to learn to improve my skills at a game. It's certainly possible to get good at games this way - after all, we had no other recourse back in the days of games that took a while to beat mainly due to XTREEEEEME difficulty. I'm sure SOMEONE finished Ikari Warriors without the ABBA code, and I know that Deadly Towers can be beaten without cheats because Emptyeye did it.  But I was never into that sort of gameplay then, and things haven't changed. |
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Adamant Buzz Blob Staff Wii have Wii  Since: 11-17-05 From: Norway Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| I found Castlevania 64 nothing but frustrating on the Hard difficulty. You have finite healing items, enemies deal a LOT of damage, and it's often impossible to avoid getting hit. I got to the Dragon boss on stage 2, but he was just too hard for me to beat. It's not like hard mode was anything other than the programmers altering a couple fof numbers anyway, since the only difference is the damage enemies deal and the amount of damage it takes to kill them.
Then there's Mega Man Zero, where I attempted to beat Hard Mode without using any cyber-elves. I got to the final stage, but didn't really bother much with it after the first few deaths. It got more tedious than hard, at that point, since the stage is just boss battle after boss battle, and I had already defeated these bosses in Hard mode already. Since my max HP was so low, I always had full energy before each boss anyway, so it was just a matter of hitting each boss about 50 times without getting hit myself 3 times. I had already done that, and doing it again with all the bosses just got boring. Since you deal so little damage in Hard Mode, these battles go on forever, and it's not really fun to kill 6 bosses and then screw up and dying on the seventh, then starting all over again when each boss takes several minutes to kill. Meh. Then again, the game doesn't reward you with anything for beating the game without cyberelves on Hard Mode, so it's not like that was the game's fault. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| ...I'll play games on the highest difficulty that I'm comfortable with, if I have such a choice. Odds are I'd try a game on Normal first then adjust from there.
Grey, I don't think Kirb would kill you if you dropped down to Hard.  |
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Kirbynite Phan Phan  I'm sick of being bogged down by homework!!  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| I made the pact myself as well, by the way
And a game like that, yeah, I definitely don't see anything wrong with a lower difficulty setting Games like those kind of shooters and capcom games kinda don't need difficulty adjustments.. |
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Amano Paragoomba  Since: 05-15-06 From: USA Last post: 6332 days Last view: 6325 days |
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| I've always been a shooter fan (especially the challenging ones) and i actually have Imperishable Night. It's a great game but i hate playing with the arrow keys and i've neglected it because i can't get the key config to work.
Anyways, about playinig games on hard mode. I had always played games on the normal difficulty and felt happy but as video games where starting to get boring to me i realized that playing everything on hard mode was what i needed to have more fun. |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| I tend to play things on a medium difficulty level at first, just to get used to the game. I don't find fun in jumping in to something I have no practice in and getting my ass kicked. After I finish that, though, if the game was good enough to hold my attention and I have the time, I'll play through it on hard. | |||
Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Same as alastor, I start on normal difficulty then when I beat the game once I step up a grade and try to beat it again if it's good enough. | |||
HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Same here. I've seen some games where Normal is piss-easy but Hard (the next step up) is impossible. |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| I, like most people, tend to start out on the normal difficulty if possible, unless the game is too difficult or too easy on that setting. As I get better, I eventually lean towards the higher or highest difficulties.
Question about that pact, though. What do you do about games where you have to play all the difficulties to get 100%, like Mega Man X8? What about games with irregular difficulties, such as Star Fox? Can you even play games where you have to unlock the hardest difficulty, i.e. Wario Land 4?  |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6409 days Last view: 6409 days |
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| Recently I've been playing through Star Ocean: The Second Story on Universe mode.
I died at the first battle. Not the first boss even, the first fucking random battle. (Excluding that first auto-win storyline battle...) In case you haven't guessed, it's pretty hard. It depends on the game for me, though. I have a taste for extremely hard shooters. That game looks like it's right up my alley. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Yeah, so Kirb's amended his challenge rules to mean "the hardest difficulty level available where you can last more than 10 seconds in". |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| It's the hardest POSSIBLE difficulty level. If hard mode has to be unlocked, so be it.
But hey, on the bright side God of War is piss-easy even on Spartan mode. Guilty Gear, on the other hand.... Well, watch this. |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by asdf How does Starfox have irregular difficulty? Each course number starting with 1 is clearly more difficult than the last... this is evident once you play them. However, it's kind of different b/c a different route means a change of scenery. Even though Course 3 in starfox is somewhat enjoyable (The battle with the flagship is one of my favorites in any game), I find course 2 and 1 to be much more fun overall. Anyways, aside from my rambling, it seems clear that Starfox has one uniform level of difficulty, just different courses to play through. |
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Radiation UFO  Since: 11-19-05 From: Techno City, The Moon Last post: 6361 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD. I love the Touhou series to the max! I totally played Perfect Cherry Blossom all day last night and yesterday and the day before that and I beat the Extra stage and the stage after Extra stage, etc., etc. I think I got, without continuing, to the Prismriver Sisters on Lunatic Mode for Perfect Cherry Blossom. It's a super super awesome series.
Imperishable Night is awesome, too, but... It is absolute hell on the hardest difficulty. I am serious about this. Do not go onto the hardest difficulty unless you're prepared to practice each and every level repeatedly with one single character. Over and over. Imperishable Night's difficulty system is much more accurate than the other games. In the other games, Easy was easy, Normal was normal, Hard was kinda harder, and Lunatic was pretty damn hard. In Imperishable Night, Easy is really easy, Normal is normal-hard, Hard is really hard, and Lunatic is downright stupid. I highly suggest you beat the game with all the characters, then beat the game again (without continuing) on any difficulty with any number of lives. It's worth it. Also. Other awesome parts of Imperishable Night include Last Word, which are unlockable super-moves that bosses use for no reason on Spell Card Practice. Some of them are really stupid, but most of them are only fifty seconds long. Yeah, and if you beat the game twice (without continuing) and unlock Extra level, that's hard too. The actual level is actually pretty easy (the bullets are fast, but easy to dodge), but the boss is hard as hell. The extra boss in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil is kinda hard, the extra boss in Perfect Cherry Blossom is easy, and the one in this game is really freaking hard. There's probably some kind of secret trick. I dunno. Tell me if you figure it out. Anyway. In conclusion, Touhou is awesome and Imperishable Night is awesome and really hard. Just keep on trying, maybe go on an easier difficulty. After a while you'll learn the tricks to these sort of games and you'll be able to beat everything really easily. [EDIT: As a test, I played Imperishable Night on Lunatic and my first death was a stupid accidental one getting hit by Wriggle Nightbug when she shows up for the second time just before she activated her spellcard. Lame. I put too much faith in the bullets disappearing, huh. (hahaha I just remembered I could have bombed, too, lame)] [EDIT: okay I played it again and I got to the second level without losing a life[ (edited by Radiation on 07-30-06 04:51 PM) (edited by Radiation on 07-30-06 04:53 PM) (edited by Radiation on 07-30-06 05:01 PM) |
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