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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - SMW Hacking - What causes the overworld path glitching? |
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PSlugworth Red Paragoomba                    Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Wow! What an asshole. | |||
Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice!   Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| He's not being as ass. When people don't even read the thread before posting in it, it's not helpful. | |||
wtfweb Red Koopa  Since: 02-10-06 Last post: 6311 days Last view: 6302 days |
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Originally posted by Alastor the StylishOriginally posted by wtfwebI said no to that... HOURS ago... so what? i was just clarifying this issue. it doesn't matter if you dont want to hear it or not, what i posted was pretty on-topic i think. and yeah, i think he was being an ass. probably because he's really frusterated about this problem in his hack. at least that's what i get from reading his posts. oh and, sorry susaka, your post is SO MUCH more helpful to everyone than mine was. i really should have read the thread before replying i guess! (edited by wtfweb on 07-23-06 02:00 PM) (edited by wtfweb on 07-23-06 02:04 PM) |
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S.N.N. wtf Since: 11-17-05 From: Ontario, Canada Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6301 days |
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@wtfweb: You're not really clarifying the issue though. Even if it IS on-topic, that doesn't necessarily mean it's right  And Sukasa has done a damn large amount for the SMW hacking community already, so he has a right to post that 
@Alastor: Could you perhaps post a screenshot of what it looks like? I think I know what you're talking about, because it happens in my hack, and I may know how to fix it if it's what I think it is. (hell, it might not be though) (edited by S.N.N. on 07-23-06 02:07 PM) |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by S.N.N. I wouldn't call a few patches, a pre-done HDMA kit, some boss-relatged data, and SMWOE (shit, that was broken form the start) a lot, but... Anyways, yeah. If you can give us a screenshot, perhaps it might be a little more insight into the problem. With what you've said about it, I am running blind here. |
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S.N.N. wtf Since: 11-17-05 From: Ontario, Canada Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by Sukasa + Hell, that's still a lot more then 93.6% of this forum is capable of |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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I've been TRYING to get screenshots of it for awhile now. It only seems to come up when I don't want it to 
Edit: Okay. Ran through the first two worlds in about 15 minutes to get to the second castle, where it happens close to all the time of not all the time, 'cause of I don't know it just does. Whenever it happens as a result of the 6x6 tiles, it seems to be limited to the 6x6 tiles... However, the other ones, all tiles afterward are affected. Ugh. It makes no sense... 
For what it's worth, though I haven't encountered the usual problems in awhile playing normally, they happen every time I pass the problem levels in ZSNES netplay. (edited by Alastor the Stylish on 07-23-06 03:01 PM) |
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Doritokiller Mole Since: 06-15-06 From: California Last post: 6444 days Last view: 6306 days |
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| I have a save state with the glitched path... I'll post a screenshot when I get it hosted.
Uhh... I see you beat me to it... I'll post it anyway. 
Weird. I got the problem almost every level I passed in the water region. (Forgot the name) (edited by Doritokiller on 07-23-06 03:13 PM) |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| This may not be helpful, but I seem to remember this being discussed a while back. If I'm not mistaken, it has something to do with the castles leading to a world on the same map/submap. In the original SMW every castle you beat sent you to a different submap with the exception of World 6.I am going to go try to find that topic. | |||
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Then... Why is there only one problem castle, why is that not particularly related to other things, and why does it happen when not tied to a castle? | |||
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| It... almost looks like some of the required bytes aren't be written correctly. The one you posts, Kyouji, look at the left-most coloum of tiles. They're all wrong, but the tiles that matched in the correct screenshot matched in the incorrect one in that column.
So, where all the left edge tiles were matching, the bad left edge tiles also matched. This might be a bug wiith the code that draws the 6x6 tiles, and not anything particularly your fault. @S.N.N: A Big contribution will be when I finish Blocktool Omega. |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Yeah, I think we're looking at two separate problems, one of which is caused by 6x6 event tiles not being displayed properly, and one of which is caused by... I don't know. The symptoms for the 6x6 ones are limited only to them (which is why in doritokiller's shot, the 2x2 event tiles placed over it look fine), but unknown one affects every event tile after its initial onset until reset. Doritokiller's saying he got it almost every time in the water level... That's likely because it happened once, and thus happened all subsequent times until he beat the world and reset the game.
In the meantime, I have removed all 6x6 event tiles from my hack. Or... Replaced them with a series of 2x2s, anyway. (edited by Alastor the Stylish on 07-23-06 04:24 PM) |
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Smallhacker Super Koopa I AM A Group Of Officially Frustrated Younglings, G.O.O.F.Y. MEMBER |
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| I belive that the main question is:
"Why does it correct itself when reset?" Let's see. The problem doesn't correct itself between levels, giving two possibilities: 1) There's a bug in the code copying the map data to the VRAM. 2) There's a bug in the code modifying the map data. However, #1 is impossible, as the same data gets drawn correctly when reset. However, if there's a bug in the code modifying the map data, the data that gets saved must be corrupted as well. Therefore, there must be two separate tables of data. One that gets copied to the VRAM and one that gets saved (and later loaded). Since one table gets corrupted, and not the other, there must be separate routines modifying them. ...Doesn't really seem plausible, but I can't think of any other way it would work. |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Oh... Alastor, which event is use dby the castle that exhibits thise problem?
And... I thought that onyl the layer one data was stored to SRAM (can't be L2; I've made L2 changes to the OW wthat show up on loading a regular SRAM save... Layer one changes don't show up though). However, I believe that the level tables get saved, and thus which events have been triggered, which are then written to the tilemap by SMW's rendering routine. Or so I thought. Therefore, my idea is that something corrupts the memory used in the rendering orutine while in game, but not while SMW is pre-rendering the OW when loading a saved game. Ideas, anyone? |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| The castle doesn't exhibit the problem anymore at any point, so it probably was just the 6x6 event tile doing it.
The levels it seems to happen after otherwise are... Level 4 of world 1, Teacup Isle 3, using event 6... And Aquaria 2, level 2 of world 4, using event 1E. Note that it doesn't always happen... Actually, I haven't had it happen to me in quite awhile, except during netplay... I thought it might be related to netplay screwing something up, but then one of my beta testers complained about it, too =/ |
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Mike O'Shay Red Koopa  Since: 03-16-06 From: Mushroom Kingdom? Last post: 6500 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| I can't really add much to this, as I don't know much of hacking, but I'm able to back him up: I've experienced this with the hack's demo, the bridge is just a big splotch of dark tiles. There's already been a screen posted, but I'm simply here as an alternate source of evidence and showing he's not the only one it's happening to. | |||
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Do all those levels trigger an event that uses 6x6 tiles? | |||
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Two levels. And neither of them do  |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| So.. two levels make a 6x6 tile appear, yet neither of them have the problem?
Is that what you meant? (edited by Sukasa + on 07-23-06 07:35 PM) |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| No... I mean... At this point... I've eliminated all the 6x6 tiles, so they're not a problem, which still leaves the two levels I just mentioned causing the problem during circumstances I can't seem to duplicate but have witnessed recently. The problem they have seems wholly unrelated to the 6x6 event tile problem, as after it initially pops up, every event tile that comes up until the game is reset has scrambled graphics and palettes.
Edit: Though, actually... Thinking about what the tester that reported it said... It's possible that, while it was previously happening all the time, it is now somehow limited to netplay. Or something. I don't... Know... (edited by Alastor the Stylish on 07-23-06 07:47 PM) |
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