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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6352 days Last view: 6339 days |
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Originally posted by SalmonMaybe you and I have different mindsets entering into a situation like that, but I would always kick myself when I was scored on, whether it was directly through my own fault or I was hung out to dry by my defenders. Even a penalty kick that results from a foul that is not your own has to be "your" fault - the ball ends up in the back of the net, and it's your job to keep it out of there. Logical rationale aside . Originally posted by SalmonFrom a goalkeeper's perspective, it is certainly random. I can't help if Germany and Argentina have rock-solid concentration but England tends to choke - all I can do is guess left or right. The other end of the ball is completely a game of nerves, whether the shooter has the presence of mind to steady himself for a situation that should be incredibly easy for him. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6449 days Last view: 6449 days |
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Originally posted by Salmon Where do you play? These guys are paid athletes. They are expected to perform. It is, quite literally, their job, and they get fired if they don't produce. |
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Salmon Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-18-05 From: Norway Last post: 6355 days Last view: 6345 days |
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Of course I want to stop every shot that goes towards goal. I can be highly self-critical, and I hate to let a ball past me, but that doesn't stop me from going into every penalty situation knowing that I can not come out of it with shame. Goal keepers aren't expected to stop penalties, so when they do, they're heroes, when they don't, it wasn't their fault. In the mindset of pretty much every football fan on the planet, penalty = goal.
And wite, I don't think you really understand the nature of a penalty kick. Of course players are paid to perform, but I don't think I've heard of it happening once in the sport that a goal keeper has been blamed for letting in a penalty, or that he has actually even been expected to take one. You don't blame the goal keeper for not stopping a penalty, but you sure as heck blame the kicker for missing one. And Silvershield, stopping a shot ain't completely random, some goal keeper has it as a specialty. Pepe Reina is especially good at stopping penalties. Ricardo Pereria ain't bad. Heck, Bjarte Flem of my favorite team Tromsų was known among fans for his penalty stopping, before he became known for throwing the ball into his own goal. Now, tell me about a goal keeper who is notoriously known for not saving penalties, you say. Well, I can't. I don't think I've ever heard of a goal keeper notoriously known for not saving penalties. You don't notice a goal keeper who doesn't save penalties, because it's so damn normal. You do, however, recognize a goal keeper who saves them. Did you know that before the World Cup Quarter Final between Argentina and Germany, Jens Lehmann saw footage of every single penalty taken by the Argentine players over the last two years? He knew the favorite spot of all the players, and he went to the right side on all four shots. He came prepared, and he knew what to do. Speaking of Lehmann, take a look at the footage from the dying minutes of Arsenal vs. Villarreal, when Villarreal has gotten a penalty to tie it. Riquelme's face says "I don't want to do this", Lehmann's face says "This could make me a hero". Those two facial exp |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6352 days Last view: 6339 days |
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If stopping a penalty kick is something a keeper is never "expected" to do - a statement which indicates that it is such a difficult, or even utterly random, task - then how is such a spot kick suitable to determine the World Cup champion? You would think a moment of such importance should not fall on pure chance, but on a contest that rests entirely on skill or only minimally on randomness, if at all. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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No. It's not just chance. Goalkeeping is still a matter of skill, and calling it "pure chance" is rather insulting to that. The fact that goalies aren't expected to stop penalties just reflects the fact that they usually don't. Why would a 50:50 situation be fairer than an 85:15 one? (edited by Arwon on 07-14-06 05:22 AM) |
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Sin Dogan 860 Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6344 days Last view: 6343 days |
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Yea, I've wondered the same thing also. In soccer, as everyone knows, the idea of teamwork and skills(which encompasses practically every aspect) are stressed. So wouldn't Sudden Death OT be more appropriate then having a shootout which is pretty specific when it comes to skill(one shoots the other blocks) and doesn't really determine much. That's my take on it. |
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