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Adamant Buzz Blob Staff Wii have Wii                 Since: 11-17-05 From: Norway Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Adamant: Ah, yeah, equipment. About that... I'm not really a fighter. I'm a scout in the Onracian army, and really prefer sneaking around undetected as opposed to engaging in combat. However... if you're buying, some new spells could come in handy. | |||
JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' +     Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I would just like to let it be known that I am boycotting this story because it purports to tell what I consider to be a false SF history. | |||
Skydude Armos Knight   Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((You're an ass, you know that?))
Sky: Nah, this town's got nothing but the basic spells. Nothing but basic equipment, either, but I'm actually in need of that. The red mage opened his pouch and looked inside. Sky: And it looks like I've got juuuuuuuuuust enough. (edited by Skydude on 05-20-06 03:24 AM) |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((What are you, nine years old? If you mean anything else but the most immature interpretation, a logical one, that fails)) | |||
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I mean simply that I'm not the one who, after a lengthy absence, returned to find that things had not occurred as I would have preferred, and so proceeded to throw a hissy fit about a specific sequence of events that occurred not long after my absence started, involving a character whose owner is not present to tell me to bugger off, but was present and responsible for said sequence of events at the time.
This is the Story Forum, not DC Comics. We don't majorly retcon character history in complete and utter disregard for the established canon. Get over it. At this point you may as well be telling the Pope that the Bible's wrong because Jesus had a pet robot and fought aliens and had a son with Wonder Woman shortly after he invented the automocar. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| OoC: Every story is seperate unless they're linked together by situations and notes. At least, that's how I've come to understand it, me and Grey break our used-to-be cannon a lot. We revise it since so few people care about it and it isn't important if we do or don't. Also, please don't bitch about stuff in public like that during a story, it really kills the mood. There is a discussion thread and all, if you don't want to join a story, simply don't join it.
I've always considered this the more mature forum of this board. Friendly nature between people, all of that, people willying to correct mistakes and fix problems. Don't provoke Skydude when we're in the middle of a story, don't provoke anyone in the middle of a story. It is indeed, ass hattish. Seraphim grabbed her dagger and notice the rust. She knew there was already multiple holes in her worn in armor. Seraphim: "Well, I'll catch you guys at a shop then or something." Seraphim, not wasting time, left the bar. Seraphim shopping was much different that how someone else would shop. She walked into the shop, very calm, very mellow. The shop keeper said hello and kept an eye on the thief. Seraphim watched as another person walked in, all it took was a split second of the shop keeper looking at the other person and Seraphim stole a knew shiney knife. She picked up some light armor and walked to the counter, gil in hand. Shopkeeper: "Will this be all for you today?" Seraphim: "Yeah, yeah, I saw a few other things, but I don't really have much money to spare, maybe some other time." Shopkeeper: "I'll be looking forward to it." Seraphim thinking: "Heh, I'm sure you will..." |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Croxadon, the so-called "main" SF stories (the ones involving mainly the old school crew) do follow a canon, what you folk do with yours I don't care. And to use another immature exp The discussion only moved here because it was the only target for the lampooning (or more accurately copying and pasting) of his post. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| OoC: Oh, I see what you did thar. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((See, JD, the problem with the "logic" that you use is that you seem to think the planning for the stories largely progressed as they did not in a vacuum, where my absence played no part, but largely because of my absence. I have indeed spoken with Dani on the matter, and she was rather upset when I left since she had to rewrite some of the "history" of what happened with me gone. You speak as if my leaving had nothing to do with the course of the general stories, when in fact it did have an effect, so it's not like this plan was set in stone like you say.
The "canon" that we have now is not her plan for her character; rather, it is Kirb's plan for her character from some vague things she said quite some time ago that he has built up in his mind ever since and has fooled himself into thinking is exactly what she meant, when in fact, it was not. I've discussed the matter with him, and one of the reasons I'm upset is that we had ended the discussion, finally, on the basis that since Dani wasn't coming back and those stories had died, it wasn't something I needed to be concerned with. And I was unhappy, but satisfied with that explanation. And now, well, he's brought that back up, and brought the problem to the forefront again. As I told Grey, if he wanted to make it an AU story of sorts, that'd be fine, but as a main canon story, it's his distorted vision that's the problem here. And finally, to use trite sayings, since you seem to enjoy that, if you really felt what I did in the other story was worth fighting....two wrongs don't make a right.)) The Red Mage led Kantha along to the weapons shop. He had a decent eye for armor and quality weaponry, but figured it might not hurt to have a brute around to give a second opinion. Sky wasn't sure how long he'd be using this next sword, so he wanted to make sure it was a good one. He picked a light rapier off the shelf and observed it. This one seemed to be pretty well-made, and a good weight as well. He presented it to Kantha. Sky: This seems to be about the heaviest weaponry they've got in here aside from those rather clumsy hammers. This particular one looks pretty good, I think. What say you? |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I have no illusions that your absence did not affect the stories. The story forum is a collaborative effort, and plans frequently change on account of the actions of others. Dani's plans are no different. There's a little saying about plans formulated by rodents and humans, but I don't think I need to go into that.
And what's important to the canon is NOT what was planned, but what has happened. The Dani/Mewtwo thing has been part of the stories since well before Dani left. When she did leave, she left Kirb in charge of her characters and gave him some instructions on her plan for how they should develop. If Kirb deviated from Dani's plan in any way it was his right to do so, because he was the one Dani gave control to. Events have happened as they have happened, and events that are happening will be directly affected by events that have happened. That's how real life works, and it's how the SF works. If you want to start some alternate timeline where events happened differently, go ahead. If you want your recently-returned main character to be from that universe and has somehow stumbled into the main one, that's fine too. But the history of the SF, the events that have happened in the various stories, IS set in stone. And nothing you can do (short of finding and stealing a real-life working time machine and going back in time to take your past self's place when he leaves) will ever change that. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((See, the problem with your logic there is that the choices he has taken have affected not only her characters, but mine as well. As such, I should have been part of the "setting in stone" of these things. Also, this is why I am upset by this. I don't really care what you do with your characters. I don't really care what Kirb does with his. I don't really care what Kirb does with Dani's. Except when that interferes with MY characters, which it greatly does in this case. And that is precisely what the problem is here)) | |||
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Much as I hate to repeat myself... The story forum is a collaborative effort, and plans frequently change on account of the actions of others. Even if you HAD been here your characters would be affected by everyone else's actions. Everyone's are. My characters and actions are affected by Kirb's actions. Kirb's characters and actions are affected by Melvin's actions. Everyone's characters and actions have been affected by your actions (including your leaving). The fact that you weren't here to control how Dani and Kirb's actions affected your characters is YOUR fault. You are here now, though, so you have three options of how to handle things.
1) Adjust your characters' history like a reasonable person. 2) As I have previously suggested, have your characters come from an alternate timeline so they won't have been affected by our actions. 3) Go write fanfics instead of roleplaying because you can't handle the reality of your actions having to be affected by other people's actions. Now, to borrow a phrase from your last two posts, 'the problem with your logic' is that you want us to change our characters' past because you think it's not right that we've affected your character. Hypocrisy at its best. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((You want to talk about hypocrisy? You say the story forum is a collaborative effort, and yet you would deny my own stake in it. As these story plans were not done in the story forum, but rather in the mind of Kirb (with just a small bit of insight from Dani) then, since they affect my characters, EXTREMELY STRONGLY, then I could have been notified, and discussed it on AIM. And yet they did not. You also don't seem to understand the magnitude. Yes, characters' actions affect each other normally, in any situation. However, most of the time these effects are relatively small. This is a change to these characters' integral history, their core characters and storylines, which is not a minor change to be made on a whim, as you seem to imply. As for my leaving being "[my] fault" actually no, it really wasn't. Blame milly for being spineless at the time, blame manda, blame tom, blame 'muz, there are any number of people who are actually at fault for it, but it wasn't exactly my own choice in the matter. And again, as for what happened in my absence, they knew it was big stuff, and they could have contacted me, if indeed it was to be a collaborative effort.
As usual, you attempt to speak despite knowing absolutely nothing about the situation. If it's a collaborative effort, then I should have had some say in the matter, seeing as I was still contactable when the decisions were being made, and far more than Dani was when they began to be carried out. I don't care about your characters' pasts, do with them what you want. Changing things as time goes on is indeed natural and acceptable, but only to a certain point. Once you get into integral parts of characters, you don't do that without making sure it's alright with all involved)) |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I've seen excerpts from Dani's PM to Kirb about her plans for her characters, and there's plenty of Dani & Mewtwo and Dani & Mewtwo & Ai and such. No Sky.
You were gone, and as far as we knew (and more than a couple of us hoped) you were never coming back. If we didn't worry about how our actions would affect your characters it was only because we had absolutely NO reason to. You WEREN'T involved. And if anyone's delusional about the situation, it's not me. Dani was not only perfectly contactable when these actions began to be carried out; she was still here and was carrying them out herself. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6552 days Last view: 6552 days |
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| ((Again, you're making the mistake of treating those things in a vacuum that didn't exist. Those plans were with Sky gone, which yeah, were with plans of me not coming back. As for people "hoping" I wouldn't, that would be restricted to people like you who have their heads so far up their asses that they can't see anything except their own self-centered worlds. I never did anything to you, and you took it upon yourself to be a complete and total asshat (your name would be more appropriate with those two letters added) to me. You don't take account of anything that's said and go on talking on the subject of things about which you, as you have demonstrated time and again in this thread and others, HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER.
Take into account, further showing how reasonable I've been on the topic, that I have discussed at great length with kirb plans which would allow both his own vision and mine to coexist in the storyline, and actually make it more interesting than his rather cliche story that he's imagined. So I am indeed allowing the contributions of others, and making compromises. But why should I be the only one who has to make them on aspects integral to my characters?)) (edited by Skydude on 05-21-06 05:35 AM) |
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Kirbynite Phan Phan  I'm sick of being bogged down by homework!!  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| to Adamant, Clockworkz, and Dracoon: I'm very sorry this had to happen in this thread. After a while, I'll eventually delete these posts, washing away the taint the poor forum has.
to JD: I would've liked it best if you took it out in the backyard instead of inside another story 
And for the meat of the subject... to Sky: I'm going to tell you that I don't want you IMing me for quite some time. I do not appreciate the colorful words you have given me, especially since I haven't even spoken to you. I don't even care if you have a "good" reason to speak to me like that. I have no tolerance for something of that caliber. And lemme warn you--if I start seeing some colorful words posted that would make a kid cry, I'mma clipboard them out. As for you saying JD has no idea, he probably has a bigger idea than you do. Lemme tell you a little about it. In 2007 SF, it was mentioned that Dani was pregnant, (which would've been with Aether) and that was in. The next story to have Dani did not have any mention of Dani being pregnant, which would mean Aether was already born. That story was also the last story the real Dani role played in inside of the normal SF canon. The only story before the one that spoke of her pregnancy was the Evil Reign II, the Final Fantasy 6 parody, which takes place from 2004 SF to 2006 SF. You can refer to FF6 if I'm not accurate with it spanning for more than a year. The current year is 2008 SF, which three stories involving Dani take place (Treasure Beyond the Old Door, Justice Folk, and Melting Pot). And all three stories require Dani, Justice Folk being the one that is most influenced by Dani. Denying any of these stories would be denying a lot of people's backstories. Of course you don't care about that. What does those stories have to do with you, you might ask. For that, I have to tell you about something else. Let's take a trip back to 2003 SF. Dani and Mewtwo had created Kirai, from their own DNA, and sent her to fight us. What we didn't know (don't correct me if we already knew about it) was that Kirai was actually a twin. The other girl was Ai, as many of us would recognize as being the future daughter of Dani's. Originally posted by Dani However, instead of landing in the future, Ai appeared in an alternate universe, which basically was SF parodying Sailor Moon, starring Dani as Sailor Moon, Mewtwo (being a human in that universe) as Tuxedo Mask, and Ai falling out of nowhere as Sailor Chibi Moon. At the end of this story, which would take place for a few years since there's school involved, there would be some epic battle with an evil being (which I'm stating as Lavos, since that dude has it out for us and has no regards to dimensions or time). Dani, Mewtwo, and Ai were on the verge of dying... Originally posted by Dani What does this tell us? Well, the Dani and Mewtwo we know are gone. If, by some odd chansey they regain some spirit of their oldselves (which could be the case seeing as how much Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross is related to Dani), they would still be no longer the same people. And the biggest reason is this: Originally posted by Dani Ai has never seen her parents as how they were long ago (The Dani and Mewtwo we know), which was probably a throwback to Chibiusa in Sailor Moon (which what Dani loves to do, using references most people don't even know about). Also, that means that your vision, Sky could not happen after Ai has reappeared in the normal SF universe. Now, before you say it could've happened before, there's still matter dealing with time. While Dani is younger in the Sailor Moon parody, her age wouldn't determine what year it would be, seeing as how she did plenty of time traveling in the normal SF universe. The only determining factor would be my characters in that story, Kirbynite and Chuchu, who remain exactly the same (including age) as in the normal SF universe (except for Chuchu becoming human and wanting to live on ground level). There's also that thing about the Sailor Moon series not spanning for many years, as Usagi was in highschool the last series. In conclusion: Ai was thrown into the future, but not too far as it would conflict with my already established characters. Ai returning had to have been atleast after Aether's birth, but not too far off as it would conflict with the timeframe the Sailor Moon stuff lasted. Your (Sky's) vision would not sync up with Dani's vision. Meaning it would not sync up with atleast four visions. It doesn't matter if your vision is so much less cliche. It's because of the cliche that's going to cause Ai to do something, what I'm not going to say because I'm not going to spoil it for JD and Grey, or anyone else that would take part in when it happens. If you've got anything to say against that, don't bother. I'd prefer to rest easy instead of knowing that there's a deeper animosity out there that's trying to harm a hobby of mine. |
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C`aos Porcupo  Since: 03-02-06 From: AB, Canada Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Blitzen sat outside, drumming his fingers slowly on the table as his head sat limply in his other hand. He paid no attention to gossip inside which had steadily risen to grumbling, then yelling, and eventually noise which caused the roof of the old building to shake.
What a lousy time for royalty to disappear... now everyone's gonna be distracted by THAT instead of Adamant, and it's not like I can just walk up to anyone else and say 'Hey, I wanna go to the Sea Shrine!'... now if I go with them I'll be off on a different tangent altogether, and they might not even BOTHER going to the shrine afterwards... and all this time Troy's gonna be waiting in Corneria for me... Blitzen blew a strand of hair out of his face. It can't be helped. I already made an ass out of myself, but I'm going to have to follow them anyways. |
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