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Clockworkz Birdon                    Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6289 days Last view: 6289 days |
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| Fine. Let's teach all the Muslim and Hindu teachings as well. Let's throw a touch of Gerald Gardner in there just for good measure.
Hey; gotta be equal, right? (edited by Clockworkz on 05-20-06 02:53 AM) |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6289 days |
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Originally posted by Clockworkz Er, Clock, just going to point out that not many people here are likely to know who he is. My memory's a bit sketchy on that subject too, so lemme grab a Wikipedia link... Here. Note that I cannot comment on any overlooked or potentially inaccurate information, it's 5:30 AM and I shouldn't be up this early. Fries my brain. =/ (edited by Thexare on 05-20-06 05:30 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6290 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by ArwonFine, my religion will be taught to our nation's seven-year-old kids too. And if you object, then you're being anal about it. Fine by me, we do have religion in our schools here, it's no big deal. Exposure to many things is fine. It doesn't matter though, because no-one gets "converted" or anything like that... what happens is that it turns into a big joke. This is because religion seems kinda, uh, dumb to the majority of us who aren't religious, and so it turns in to "get the religion teacher angry or ask her dumb questions to send her off on weird tangents" and everyone thinks the class is funny and a waste of time. Then I realise I have dog shit on my shoe and so I remove it with pages of the bible because that's the only paper handy. Then the teacher insults my best friend because he is gay, and since he's in his political crusader phase he threatens the school and so it becomes an optional class and the religion teacher befriends a pregnant slut instead since no-one's gonna show up when they can have a free period after lunch. Good times. So what's my point here? Oh, yeah, go nuts, try and teach your religion in schools. The point isn't what's getting taught, the subject matter is really quite secondary since indoctrination is incredibly ineffective. The point is learning study methods, critical thinking, information management strategies, all those mental tools you need. School can't teach you a fraction of what you might need to know about life, it can only help you so you can do it yourself later on. So again, everyone needs to lighten the fuck up about educational content and realise that kids aren't paying attention anyway. (edited by Arwon on 05-20-06 02:00 PM) |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6289 days |
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Originally posted by ArwonThanks for ignoring the absolute crux of what I've been saying: there's a difference between teaching certain things to an adolescent audience and teaching that same material to a classroom of seven-year-old kids. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6290 days |
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| No, there really isn't. Scripture when I was 7 was pretty much just as doumb, just with bratty little 7 year olds instead of smart-ass teenagers. You underestimate the ability of kids to simply not absorb information, and certainly you treat them like automatons for whom what they get told at age 7 controls their lives. Bollocks to that. At best you can have a kind of temporary hold over kids to scared of authority to act out... but by the time we reach teenage yers we're already laughing t or forgetting or ignoring most of what we learned in our younger days.
SOCIAL ENGINEERING DOESN'T REALLY WORK which means the battles over control of schools are pretty dumb. Honestly, if you're worried about indoctrination go fight the bloody advertising industry, they're far better at it. The point is you're never going to teach EVERYTHING, so the idea of being even-handed and equal with it is absurd. Teachers need some free reign to teach what they think will engage kids minds, not just some proscribed cirriculum all people must follow. Just relax, stop being anal retentive about indoctrination, and realise that a gay fairy tale does not matter at all and is entirely valid and appropriate. Seriously, I wish all these god damn "pro-family" (how did that term get hijacked by such a narrow band of cranky crusaders?) would just fuck off and let people do their damn jobs. You know nothing about this teacher or school, you know nothing about how they do their jobs, all you have is one half-assed sensational news article designed to trigger Pavlovian responses about the American kulturkampf and some weird conviction that anything gay is part of some insidious agenda to gay-ify your kids and make them do the buttseks. Finally, it's not the same material. It's a sodding fairy tale. A silly little story designed to pass the time and make the litle blighters sit still and listen to you. They're not discussing politics or social issues, they're not discussing sex, they're reading a damn story. (edited by Arwon on 05-20-06 09:19 PM) |
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Pas'ra'chilli Red Paragoomba  Since: 01-23-06 From: Albuquerque Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6321 days |
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| Social engineering does work, but not as it is practiced in schools or churches. To condition a person you have to isolate them and put them through some form of abuse (in a cult setting this is probably verbal) to make them feel powerless. Once that is done you can give them a sense of empowerment by belonging to the cult or society or whatever.
However, young children can and do buy into nonsense tossed at them and as the saying goes, "Get them when they're young and they're yours forever." Pah. That's about all I disagree with in the above statement. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6290 days |
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| Nah, hit em young and at best you've got 'em for a few years.
How else do you explain the fact that Catholic schools are actully more or less factories for militant atheists? |
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Koneko Plasma Whisp  Since: 11-17-05 From: Tartarus. We get faster internet than you. Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6289 days |
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| Hypothetically: I am a parent (adoption) violently opposed to conventional male-female marriage. Am I allowed to demand that any story that has a man kissing a woman not be read to the class? What if I'm the only one with that opinion about that sort of thing?
I agree with Arwon. Kids aren't as stupid as most people seem to think. It seems to be fairly common to assume that they don't have real thoughts or form their own opinions. I think the school system would be far more effective if people (because children are people) were taught a basic understanding of most subjects, then allowed to pursue those academic topics most interesting to them. This isn't realistically possible at this point, sure, but that's mostly because people don't believe that children could want to study. Oddly enough, the idea of "college" doesn't scare them. Hmm. But that's actually just my opinion. It might not be correct, because I'm certainly not all the school-age students, and I don't magically know how they would prefer to learn. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, thinking that given the facilities to learn and the knowledge of how to use those facilities and left mostly to their own devices for a while that they would actually get anything done. I also believe that anyone who would play sports all day long in the absence of a mandatory education deserves what they get when I see them earning minimum wage at the grocery store. People who don't want to learn shouldn't have time wasted on them. Woo, tangent. |
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Pas'ra'chilli Red Paragoomba Since: 01-23-06 From: Albuquerque Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6321 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon But there are still plenty of Catholics around. |
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