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Silvershield

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Since: 11-19-05
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Posted on 07-13-06 02:15 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Salmon
As a long-playing goal keeper (ever since I was a little child I've been playing goal keeper, I still do today, in an amateure-league, of course) I can say that there is nothing quite as wonderful as having a penalty kick taken against you, and I cannot see where Silvershield is coming from.

Penalty Kicks are a lot about mentality, and as the goal keeper, you can not be anything but thrilled to have a penalty kick taken against you. It's a situation in which you cannot lose, only win. If they score, no one's gonna blame ya', it was a penalty kick. If you save, you're the grand, big hero. Also, knowing that the situation is the complete opposite for the penalty taker, you have the upper hand mentally.
Maybe you and I have different mindsets entering into a situation like that, but I would always kick myself when I was scored on, whether it was directly through my own fault or I was hung out to dry by my defenders. Even a penalty kick that results from a foul that is not your own has to be "your" fault - the ball ends up in the back of the net, and it's your job to keep it out of there. Logical rationale aside .

Originally posted by Salmon
Anyway, I don't think penalty kicks are as random as some would have you believe. Did you know that in the history of the World Cup, Germany has only missed one single time in a penalty kick shootout (Stielike against France in 1982, a shootout they still won). That's 17 times scored out of 18 attempts. Argentina had never lost a penalty kick shootout before meeting Germany (a shootout where one of the teams would have to get their first loss). On the other end of the scale, you got Italy, who won their first World Cup shootout against France in some match a couple of days ago, and England, notoriously known for messing up shootouts. Is it random, or is there a certain skill included, when you see the same teams winning and the same teams losing over and over?
From a goalkeeper's perspective, it is certainly random. I can't help if Germany and Argentina have rock-solid concentration but England tends to choke - all I can do is guess left or right. The other end of the ball is completely a game of nerves, whether the shooter has the presence of mind to steady himself for a situation that should be incredibly easy for him.
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Posted on 07-13-06 02:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Salmon
f they score, no one's gonna blame ya


Where do you play?

These guys are paid athletes. They are expected to perform. It is, quite literally, their job, and they get fired if they don't produce.
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Posted on 07-13-06 09:18 PM Link | Quote
Of course I want to stop every shot that goes towards goal. I can be highly self-critical, and I hate to let a ball past me, but that doesn't stop me from going into every penalty situation knowing that I can not come out of it with shame. Goal keepers aren't expected to stop penalties, so when they do, they're heroes, when they don't, it wasn't their fault. In the mindset of pretty much every football fan on the planet, penalty = goal.

And wite, I don't think you really understand the nature of a penalty kick. Of course players are paid to perform, but I don't think I've heard of it happening once in the sport that a goal keeper has been blamed for letting in a penalty, or that he has actually even been expected to take one. You don't blame the goal keeper for not stopping a penalty, but you sure as heck blame the kicker for missing one.

And Silvershield, stopping a shot ain't completely random, some goal keeper has it as a specialty. Pepe Reina is especially good at stopping penalties. Ricardo Pereria ain't bad. Heck, Bjarte Flem of my favorite team Tromsų was known among fans for his penalty stopping, before he became known for throwing the ball into his own goal.
Now, tell me about a goal keeper who is notoriously known for not saving penalties, you say. Well, I can't. I don't think I've ever heard of a goal keeper notoriously known for not saving penalties. You don't notice a goal keeper who doesn't save penalties, because it's so damn normal. You do, however, recognize a goal keeper who saves them.

Did you know that before the World Cup Quarter Final between Argentina and Germany, Jens Lehmann saw footage of every single penalty taken by the Argentine players over the last two years? He knew the favorite spot of all the players, and he went to the right side on all four shots. He came prepared, and he knew what to do.
Speaking of Lehmann, take a look at the footage from the dying minutes of Arsenal vs. Villarreal, when Villarreal has gotten a penalty to tie it. Riquelme's face says "I don't want to do this", Lehmann's face says "This could make me a hero". Those two facial expressions really sum up what goes through the heads of the two players involved in a penalty kick situation. Oh yes, Lehmann saved the penalty by the way.
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Posted on 07-14-06 03:22 AM Link | Quote
If stopping a penalty kick is something a keeper is never "expected" to do - a statement which indicates that it is such a difficult, or even utterly random, task - then how is such a spot kick suitable to determine the World Cup champion? You would think a moment of such importance should not fall on pure chance, but on a contest that rests entirely on skill or only minimally on randomness, if at all.
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Since: 11-18-05
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Posted on 07-14-06 06:17 AM Link | Quote
No. It's not just chance. Goalkeeping is still a matter of skill, and calling it "pure chance" is rather insulting to that. The fact that goalies aren't expected to stop penalties just reflects the fact that they usually don't. Why would a 50:50 situation be fairer than an 85:15 one?

(edited by Arwon on 07-14-06 05:22 AM)
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Posted on 07-31-06 04:22 PM Link | Quote
Yea, I've wondered the same thing also. In soccer, as everyone knows, the idea of teamwork and skills(which encompasses practically every aspect) are stressed. So wouldn't Sudden Death OT be more appropriate then having a shootout which is pretty specific when it comes to skill(one shoots the other blocks) and doesn't really determine much. That's my take on it.
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