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SamuraiX

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Posted on 01-14-07 01:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hiryuu
And it would probably turn most 'normal' people's heads.

I mean, seriously, where I'm living now I would think something of a '12' caliber would really make people go 'what?'. I've had it happen in conversation far too often otherwise or themselves give me odd looks.

That's why, in public, I have to really REALLY dumb my conversations down. Not so much so that I talk like a redneck wannabe but to a degree where people can actually understand the words the are coming out of my mouth thank you Chris Rock.


It's a talent really. Being able to say something so that it retains substance, but has universal meaning. And I thought you lived in Japan. We Americans thought you guys were smart.
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Posted on 01-14-07 01:52 AM Link | Quote
Nope. Running gag of mine since '02.
SamuraiX

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Posted on 01-14-07 01:55 AM Link | Quote
That's odd then. Since I think your posts are some of the easier ones to read. You seem pretty normal to me.
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Posted on 01-14-07 01:56 AM Link | Quote
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.

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Posted on 01-14-07 02:05 AM Link | Quote
YOUR BARGAINING POSTURE IS HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

my posts should be easy to read. i don't think many of them pass over three sentences. i usually type short, simple, and to the point. i don't read long posts so i won't write long posts either.

10.75. and it said this was all 1 sentence. smart.
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Posted on 01-14-07 02:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.




I already said how it works, and that if you don't use proper English, then you'll get erroneous results. And that sounds about right, I find your posts very easy to read, for which I thank you.
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Posted on 01-14-07 03:17 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by SamuraiX
That's odd then. Since I think your posts are some of the easier ones to read. You seem pretty normal to me.


Prolly cuz I don't really care too much about how it goes down on the net. :\

Wonder if that was a 2.
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:08 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by jeff
YOUR BARGAINING POSTURE IS HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

my posts should be easy to read. i don't think many of them pass over three sentences. i usually type short, simple, and to the point. i don't read long posts so i won't write long posts either.

10.75. and it said this was all 1 sentence. smart.

Probably because you don't capitalize the first letter.
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Posted on 01-14-07 06:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Alice
Originally posted by jeff
YOUR BARGAINING POSTURE IS HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

my posts should be easy to read. i don't think many of them pass over three sentences. i usually type short, simple, and to the point. i don't read long posts so i won't write long posts either.

10.75. and it said this was all 1 sentence. smart.

Probably because you don't capitalize the first letter.

You have to use proper English I said.
So your post would be more like:

My posts should be easy to read. I don't think many of them pass over three sentences. I usually type shortly, simply, and to the point. I don't read long posts so I won't write long posts either.

Which ranks 6.87.
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Posted on 01-15-07 12:08 AM Link | Quote
I'd like to think that my posts aren't difficult to read, but I will admit that I'm more than a little guilty of "waffle".

When I started using the internet, I didn't write as much when I tried to make a point. But as I found my words taken more and more out of context, I found I started using more and more words to try to make my intent clear.

It probably doesn't work, and that would have worried me before. However, I'm now more of the opinion that I don't give a Flying Fuck.
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Posted on 01-15-07 12:20 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.



I highly doubt that the tool is entirely legitimate given that copy-pasting the two "words" "abcdefghijklmnop qrstuvwxyz" 100 times yields a 57.77 grade level. I certainly don't need multiple doctoral degrees to know that that's absolute nonsense.
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Posted on 01-15-07 12:58 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kamek
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.



I highly doubt that the tool is entirely legitimate given that copy-pasting the two "words" "abcdefghijklmnop qrstuvwxyz" 100 times yields a 57.77 grade level. I certainly don't need multiple doctoral degrees to know that that's absolute nonsense.


Personally, one must consider the post as well as the grade. If it's just one long simple sentence, then it can have a inflated grade level. One must mentally adjust for that.
Example: Thus, having proven that one cannot assume ceteris paribus considering in said case that a given voter with attribute A will vote (to cast a vote for a given candidate in a given democratic system, such as that of the United States's democratic system) for a given candidate with attribute A, I continue to say that "Christian" values can be carried by one who is not in fact Christian.
That's a 21.17. But anyone can read that.
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Posted on 01-15-07 04:58 PM Link | Quote
I typed in "JESUS HAHA DICKS WHAT WHAT WHEE" until I typed thirty words, and ironically, managed to plug into a score of three.
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Posted on 01-15-07 09:01 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kamek
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.



I highly doubt that the tool is entirely legitimate given that copy-pasting the two "words" "abcdefghijklmnop qrstuvwxyz" 100 times yields a 57.77 grade level. I certainly don't need multiple doctoral degrees to know that that's absolute nonsense.


To pronounce it correctly in accordance with the English language would require such a grade level. It's pretty hard to say something to lacking in vowels. Pretty much impossible. Now do it 100 times.
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Posted on 01-18-07 07:42 PM Link | Quote
I got a 10.75 with my approval requestposting.

I wonder what the man-pages would get.

Edit: The US-Patent for Dr. Mario gets for the first 10000 Characters a whooping 18.78.


(edited by PrincessPeach on 01-18-07 01:53 PM)
SamuraiX

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Posted on 01-19-07 02:51 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by PrincessPeach
I got a 10.75 with my approval requestposting.

I wonder what the man-pages would get.

Edit: The US-Patent for Dr. Mario gets for the first 10000 Characters a whooping 18.78.

Spelling errors usually cause the grade level go up, hence the need for proofreading to make sure that said content is coherent, since this tool uses a dictionary to figure out the syllables of each word, to the best of my knowledge. Also, this tool really doesn't account for grammar, not directly in any case, but awkward grammar usage decreases readability. But again, I must reiterate that this tool need not define the grade level needed to read a text with the degree of accuracy that some people have noted, it is only a tool, and its results are to be used with proper judgment; oftentimes a perfectly simple post such as this one will register a grade level incongruent to its actual difficulty.
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Posted on 01-19-07 02:57 AM Link | Quote
Then it is my belief it would be excellent if they could improve the tool. I believe it might be valuable.

Also I think most of the strife in this topic came from the fact some people took it as denouncing complex posts, which a number of people utilize.

However the number of syllables isn't the be-all and end-all of difficulty; using basic words, one can express strange concepts which require several read-throughs to get the gist off. Some instruction manuals have baffled me with sentences that have two meanings--and why do they have to always happen where the wrong action could cause catastrophic results?
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Posted on 01-19-07 11:30 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal Man88
Then it is my belief it would be excellent if they could improve the tool. I believe it might be valuable.

Also I think most of the strife in this topic came from the fact some people took it as denouncing complex posts, which a number of people utilize.

However the number of syllables isn't the be-all and end-all of difficulty; using basic words, one can express strange concepts which require several read-throughs to get the gist off. Some instruction manuals have baffled me with sentences that have two meanings--and why do they have to always happen where the wrong action could cause catastrophic results?


An example might be nice. You have a point though, there are cases where clarity is an absolute necessity over all else, texts that can have serious repercussions if misinterpreted, like the Bible lab manuals, heavy machinery instructions, and such. Although I think it's unnecessary to note "Do not drink" on 16M HCl.
Arwon

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Posted on 01-20-07 04:15 PM Link | Quote
I'm pretty sure that two years of university level essay writing, and debating at uni, have destroyed my ability to talk below that sort of level. I'm averaging 14.5 with any given post in the debate forum, and even my discussion of beer yielded nearly a 13.

Ho-hum.

Let's see what George Orwell had to say about this:


Now that I have made this catalogue of swindles and perversions, let me give another example of the kind of writing that they lead to. This time it must of its nature be an imaginary one. I am going to translate a passage of good English into modern English of the worst sort. Here is a well-known verse from Ecclesiastes:

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Here it is in modern English:

Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

This is a parody, but not a very gross one. Exhibit (3) above, for instance, contains several patches of the same kind of English. It will be seen that I have not made a full translation. The beginning and ending of the sentence follow the original meaning fairly closely, but in the middle the concrete illustrations -- race, battle, bread -- dissolve into the vague phrases "success or failure in competitive activities." This had to be so, because no modern writer of the kind I am discussing -- no one capable of using phrases like "objective considerations of contemporary phenomena" -- would ever tabulate his thoughts in that precise and detailed way. The whole tendency of modern prose is away from concreteness. Now analyze these two sentences a little more closely. The first contains forty-nine words but only sixty syllables, and all its words are those of everyday life. The second contains thirty-eight words of ninety syllables: eighteen of those words are from Latin roots, and one from Greek. The first sentence contains six vivid images, and only one phrase ("time and chance") that could be called vague. The second contains not a single fresh, arresting phrase, and in spite of its ninety syllables it gives only a shortened version of the meaning contained in the first. Yet without a doubt it is the second kind of sentence that is gaining ground in modern English. I do not want to exaggerate. This kind of writing is not yet universal, and outcrops of simplicity will occur here and there in the worst-written page. Still, if you or I were told to write a few lines on the uncertainty of human fortunes, we should probably come much nearer to my imaginary sentence than to the one from Ecclesiastes.
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Posted on 01-21-07 10:18 AM Link | Quote
I've read it before, but I don't see why you point out that you cannot talk "below that sort of level." Are you saying that you cannot minimize the usage of polysyllabic diction in your debating, or that you have become a modern-English speaker? I'm pretty sure that either way, that isn't exactly a talent.
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