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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Okay, here's my guidlines for a browser that doesn't suck. 1. Speed. IE sucks in this catagory. Opera pwns. Firefox just plain sucked. 2. Loading. IE is super-fast, but it's integrated anyway. Opera takes about 10 seconds. Firefox would literally stall the CPU for about 10 seconds. 3. Stability. IE survived a registry crash of massive proportions. So did Opera. Yet Firefox bowed to the Registry Gods and went boom. Firefox still sucks. I'm going to test it for a wile and see if it STILL blows, but... either way, I'm still sticking with Opera. Non cluttered menus, anyone? |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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I have no idea why it would be slow then, it's not slow on my 1.8 Ghz.  I actually tested some sites both with Firefox and IE, Firefox loaded them faster. At least the pages I have tested. I hadn't tested Opera, but if I am very bored someday I maybe test it.  Firefox is still in beta, if you have problems with it then you should go and check the forums on the offical page. Both IE and Firefox is stable on my computer. I hadn't any of them crashing yet, yes I do use IE sometimes. But only for sites which only supports IE. I would say that Linux is diffrent, not better or worse than Windows. They are both diffrent and have diffrent target groups. (edited by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Well, you're probably just so used to it that it doesn't appear slow. I'm used to using IE so I noticed an obvious difference. Oh, that reminds me, if you clean out your registry regularly (which you should) then you wouldn't have half the problems with IE that you normally do. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| I have done Registry cleaning Legion, just you know. But well, I actually have no idea why Firefox is slow for you. There must be a problem somewhere.  (edited by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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Originally posted by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Hmm, but it's must be a bug if it appears on some computers but not on others. I can say this now, I never had any problem with Firefox or IE. Well I had problems on one computer with IE, but it was on a Win98 computer. With a very messy registry. (it's fixed now BTW)(edited by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Legion, can you enlighten me on the "type" of person I am? I don't bash IE meaninglessly. I try to post reasons on why I dislike them and prefer other alternatives. And ... *checks OS* I'm using Windows 2000 SP4 right now. The only OS (besides a fake win95 thing for bochs) installed on here is Win2000. It doesn't suck, really. (Though XP does, IMO) Speek check, on a Celeron 1.4 GHz: Firefox started in three seconds. IE started in two. OK, IE wins in the start up time, by one second. (Note I'm using Blackbox for Windows, so IE is not loaded all the time, as it is using the Explorer shell) Firefox loaded this thread immediately... took about four seconds (Ctrl+F5 to ignore cache) to load everyone's images and CSS documents. IE: took four seconds for it to display more than the header of the page  (I don't have my cookies set on IE, so I was in guest mode)And you might want to check this out: http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/ Proves that IE knows shit about PNG. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| SPEED TEST! IE on this very page: Page rendered in 0.198 seconds. (It's at the bottom.) The Almighty Benevolant Firefox: Page rendered in 0.635 seconds. I know it's trivial to point out a time difference such as that but... Oh, and I just noticed something. I'll get the "page rendered" thing at the bottom WHILE the page is still loading. I thought that was pretty weird. Also, I thought it was kind of ironic but when I loaded this page in Firefox, it delayed at my layout. Yes, a CSS layout. Doesn't do that in IE. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Page rendered in 0.174 seconds. On Firefox... and in IE: Page rendered in 0.181 seconds. It's server rendered Legion. It's dosen't matter which browser you use. I had seen times up to 60 seconds thought, both in IE and Firefox. But that is when the server is going crazy. (edited by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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Originally posted by Legion May I note to you that this is the time it took for the PHP script to process on the server, and is completely irrelavent to your browser/connection? A dial-up connection would get the same render time. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Bah, my mistake. Ok, strike that from the record. That explains the whole "still loading" thing I said. | |||
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| man... the `page rendered` thing is how long the server took to parse the php. use a stopwatch and measure your time. edit: i swear i didn't see that other post before. freedos beat me to it. (edited by Finneram on 06-14-04 07:09 AM) |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Many people make that mistake... at many sites/forums. It's a reasonable mistake, too. The actual text should be "script processed in x seconds" and not "rendered in x seconds". Technicality error by Acmlm. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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Originally posted by LegionWell, but that's becuse it wasn't in the cache, when it's well is in the cache it loads it's very fast. I did test IE on this page and I got no CSS loading troubles thought, the same with Firefox. IE isn't as sucky browser as some people tries to make it. But it does annoy me that PNG isn't fully supported in IE. I really hope they add that in Longhorn at least. (edited by ^_____ |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| Okay, I just ran a test. I started a stopwatch after hitting CTRL+F5 [no-cache reload] for the first test, and then clicked "MAIN" for the second test. As soon as the status bar disappeared/read DONE I'd hit STOP. Here's how it came out. Allow 0"20 for reflexes. Total load time for INDEX.PHP from FIREFOX : 17"25 [cache 04"57] Internet Explorer in last [as usual], Firefox with a very slight gain, and Opera blasting away. Heh... |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| "Allow 0"20 for reflexes." My ass.  A human stopwatch test is soooo inaccurate it's not even funny. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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Originally posted by Legion*0"50 Stupid numpad. Anyway, even if it was me fucking up, there's no damn way in hell I'd screw up a time by over 10 seconds But still... it'd be nice if there was something that would automatically check it. Heh. Then again, with Opera's build-your-own-statusbar thing, I can just look at the time. It downloaded and rendered this page in three seconds. Great feature, I think. I juts like all the little tidbits Opera gives you. More status message details [request queued, looking up host name, etc] and actual information [Document: 100% / Total: 40KB /Images: 40/48 / Speed: 3.5kb/s] and more.  |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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| This thread is actually starting to get quite amusing. |
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Deleted User Banned Level: 8 Posts: 12 EXP: 1736 For next: 451 Since: 01-23-01 Since last post: 13089 days Last activity: 21 days |
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Originally posted by LegionA list of objectives? It's a transparent image. It will show what's behind it, even with limited opacity (semi-transparent). Sure, if you have to prove to yourself that it really IS transparent; here:  Originally posted by LegionFirst of all, I haven't seen scrolling mess up in actual use on any page after having used it for six months on several computers, for hours daily on literally thousands of sites. I did however see it mess up when I had multiple Firebird installs (back when it was Firebird), and that was indeed horrible. Nuke your profile folder - go to run, enter %AppData%\Phoenix\Profiles\default\ and hit enter. Delete the xxxxxxxx.slt folder. I've seen the odd table misrendered because the page was coded with so called "tag soup" - leaving off end tags and assuming that the web browser will figure out it itself, not quoting tag attributes, etc. This is laziness on the site's part, not necessarily a flaw in the browser (although rendering tag soup is a sign of a good browser). I agree to some of these other things as well. It took me about one month to settle in mentally with it not being like IE. But there's more. Firefox itself is pretty basic. The neat thing about it is that I get to choose myself what features I want. I have an extension that improves tabbed browsing, one for copying image contents on right click in addition to copying image location, a few small ones to allow me to search dictionary.com or several programming reference sites, etc. Let's hear that again - I get to choose what I want. I don't need all features by every extensions, true, but I don't have to install all of them. I can pick what I want and not be locked in with a set of features and a few neat search toolbars which lets you pick Yahoo or Google basically. Ad blocking, CSS editing on the fly, fine-tuning where new tabs open. I'd like to hear what things in the interface you don't like. Like I said, I was outright bothered by some things in the first month, and most things I could change or improve myself. I can help you out if you want to. And again, you got timing all wrong. Like about fifty, sixty people have pointed out (  ) the thing at the bottom on the board is generation time on the server end. The correct way to measure is from you hit enter in the address field until the status bar reads "Done". Firefox most of the time renders faster than IE, but may be bogged down a bit if you have like ten or twenty extensions going (you can disable them temporarily to help that). And Opera ofcourse is very, very, very fast. Speaking of that, maybe you should try Opera, if you don't mind the ads (you can turn them into text ads) or can get it cracked or something. I'm not personally comfortable with it because it's just a bit too different but maybe you'll like it. |
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