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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 166/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Well, then you should be a good Christian and do me the favor of correcting my misinformed conceptions. As a man who is obviously wiser than me once said, "Are you going to explain why or.....?" |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 167/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I can accept what you say, as long as you say it correctly. If you're unwilling to do so, you can certainly say as much without the condescending words. I think I must make a better Christian than you. ps. My underdeveloped brain tells me you should work on your your/you're usage. Now you've gone and mucked up your own thread. =\ Oh well. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 168/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I wont feed what is obviously a troll. You've purposely went against the rules of my thread and have been disrespectful in it as well, which is clearly an offense in the Officers Forum. "Let he who is without sin..." Hm, I remember the quote. Do you? You certainly aren't being respectful yourself, calling people who have different views of your religion ignorant. Anyways, I know I'll get in trouble if I stay around to entertain you at the moment. So I'll be off for now. Ta.~ |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 169/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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If you want to be technical about it, Legion broke his own rule first by criticizing Clockworkz, I questioned Legion's criticism, and then Legion criticized me as well. And so while I won't say that I'm unimpeachable in the current predicament, I'd also have to point out that "he started it!" And his posts are a lot closer to flaming than mine.  I'm trying to withdraw peacefully now, so that this thread may continue, but I don't really want to be slandered. Actually, that's not true, I just want to make my point for the record in case an admin decides to target me. I'll have a sound case this time, just like the last.(edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 04:54 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 170/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yea, but I read Revelations (in addition to Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, Daniel, Amos, Gospel of Matthew, John, and Thomas, and Romans), and apparently I don't know a damn thing. Ah well. ps. (<~ tee) Legion, when you get back, do us all a favor and don't respond to this, since you'll only get me started again. And we can agree that that's not good. (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 05:02 PM) (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 05:09 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 171/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| First off, you can read all you want but it's the comprehension that you need work on. Eh, more vague insults... he says my comprehension is off, yet he refuses to cite any reasons why. I believe that all I said was that I'm sure that many Christians disagree with you, and yes... they are still Christians. It doesn't matter whether my particular comprehension is off. Clockworkz was perfectly correct to say that many Christians believe that all non-Christians will be cast into Hell. You've already said that you were leaving, now stick with it. People are tired of your incoherent and mindless babble. (And yes, I checked around to confirm that.) I'm sure people are tired of me. Plenty of people were tired of Christ as well. D:< Unless being not-liked becomes a bannable offense, you'll really have a hard time convincing me to give a damn. People will come around to me. And I said I was leaving "for now", as in... the period before this post, of course. Since you're flagrantly breaking your own rules, I don't really worry about getting in trouble anymore (assuming, of course, a fair system.) I'm not flaming you. I'm turning the other cheek, see? I'm trying to see where you're coming from, for the mere sake of intellectual curiousity, and all you say is that I'm spouting garbage. It's a pity. You're not being very respectful. (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 06:31 PM) (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 06:58 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 172/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yes, I agree. I suppose I should put a little bit of effort into this, then. You should feel lucky. Anyways, my point is thus: The beliefs of Christians are multifaceted, and there are significant number of fire-and-brimstone types out there. Most non-liberal Churches teach that, yes, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'll go to Hell... or at least, you won't go to Heaven. Some Churches may not actively teach that, but... imo, the Bible is pretty solid on this point: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." ~ John 3:16 Thusly, you can put some kind of liberal spin on it, but a lot of Christians don't. And for the first 1950 years after Christ's death, most of them didn't. And if you say that Christians who don't follow your particular interpretation of the Bible aren't really Christians... well, that's just a narrow-minded thing to do. I said all of this before, but was not graced with a reply. It's not my goal to say what the correct interpretation of the Bible is, but rather that it's stupid to say that there is one correct translation, and that anyone who doesn't adhere to it isn't really a Christian. There are plenty of passages that can support Evangelism, or Crusades, or whatever. It's really arrogant to say, "well, their interpretation is just wrong, and now they're all in Hell" or whatever. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 173/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| That having been said, what Legion believes might have been set in stone by the Vatican, either many, many years ago or within the last 5. In any case, it's considered an "Infallible truth". Granted. As I said before, it would be rather strange to be a member of a religious group that you didn't believe to preach "The Truth". However, the Vatican has also declared that other religious groups have access to this "Truth". In addition, I'm quite sure that The Vatican does not consider the Orthodox Church, or Protestant Churches, or whatever, to not be "Christian" (because if they're not, what are they?) It'd be easy to prove me wrong on this, though, and I'm open to someone doing so. Also, I'd still have to maintain that it's pretty lame to imply "if you read the Bible more, you'd understand that I'm correct." I think there are plenty of Biblical scholars who don't believe that the Catholic teachings are the logical consequence of the "correct" Bible interpretation. And on a sidenote (yea, another!) the whole Kerry debate is stupid. Being pro-choice doesn't mean personally advocating abortion, it means advocating the individual right to choose whether to have an abortion. Chastizing politicans for being pro-choice in that manner is as silly as chastizing politicians for supporting freedom of religion. (edited by hhallahh on 04-30-04 10:05 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 174/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Being a fan of rationality, I cast my lot with the evolutionists. I'll try to avoid being confrontational (someone else can start it, and I'll jump in), but I have to say that macroevolution - in the sense of speciation - has already been documented. If you seperate two populations, eventually they'll evolve in different directions and become unable to breed. Thus, macroevolution. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 175/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| You may be amazed to hear that I simultaneously go to a fancy liberal arts school and don't smoke. | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 176/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Maybe it should say, "Every time you make a bad SMW hack..." | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 177/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yes, well... in the sense of speciation, I said.. which means that microevolution has been documented to create new species, which is one of the definitions of macroevolution. No one has seen a reptile turn into a bird, of course... mostly because that takes millions of years. But it's theoretically possible, if you combine microevolution with speciation, for new, functionally distinct species to arise over time. I guess this is where the issue of irreducible complexity gets thrown in, or gaps in the fossil record, and then things become really murky. Probably don't want to get into that.. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 12:31 AM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 178/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| It's only a couple bishops of the Catholic church spearheading the drive... who are conspicuously silent on other pro-choice Catholics such as Arnold Schwarrzenager (I'm not even gonna try to spell that right), George Pataki, and George Tenet. Never mind pro-death penalty Catholics, or the ones who supported the Iraq war... they' get a pass. It's selective, politically-motivated smearing. And you didn't quite get what I was trying to say, which is that if the Church starts saying that politicians views should be aligned with Church views, the logical consequence of this is that you'd basically have to renounce freedom of religion, since allowing people the choice to practice other religions would be to allow them to sin. There's a few degrees of seperation between "can't support abortion" and "can't support the existence of other religions", but I think the second is a logical consequence of the first.. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 01:13 AM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 179/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Yea, Creationists pull the dinosaur shtick from the Behemoth / Leviathan lines. It doesn't actually refer to dinosaurs, just something vaguely similar to dinosaurs: Big animals. But the logic involved is somewhat sketchy: "Behemoth was really big. Dinosaurs were really big. Therefore, behemoth was a dinosaur. Therefore, dinosaurs were in the bible! Bible knows all!" | |||
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 180/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 40:16 Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly. 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 40:18 His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron. 40:19 He [is] the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach [unto him]. 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 40:22 The shady trees cover him [with] their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, [and] hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: [his] nose pierceth through snares. Okay, okay. There's your unabriged Behemoth passage. Legion's link conveniently mentions about half of it, and then concludes that Behemoth was either a Diplodocus or Apatosaurus. Well, are either or these dinosaurs so small that they can hide in reeds, or the willows of the brook? And did any of these canidates' geographical distributions overlap with Mesopotania? I find it doubtful. I think the second half of the Behemoth passage was omitted, oh... purposely. And it's one thing to learn an opponent's argument. It's another thing to conclude Biblical wisdom and truth. 0_o; My point is that the behemoth passage does not necessarily refer to dinosaurs, but could encompass any number of big creatures... with tails. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:12 PM) (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:16 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 181/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| ... that's the response? The passage refers to baby dinosaurs only? Were baby dinosaurs tails like cedar and all that jazz, too? Maybe not born at full size.. but born at full strength, indeed! Oy vey. And I suppose if it said behemoth had no tail, it could just be a dinosaur with its tail cut off. Haha. It still doesn't address the Jordan river point, though. (edited by hhallahh on 05-01-04 02:24 PM) |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 183/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| It's just a cop-out, that's all. Yea, it doesn't necessarily mean a full-grown one. However, my point is that I doubt you could compare a baby dinosaur's tail to a cedar. You got that, right? Yes. Really. Cause my sources say those two species lived in North America. But maybe they migrated, right?   Yea, right next to the Jordan! |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 184/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| So which one of us is close-minded, now? Or twisting logic? (Baby dinosaurs.. that one still gets me.. haha..) http://dinosauricon.com/genera/diplodocus.html http://www.ircs.upenn.edu/cogsci2000/apatosaurus.html http://coe.fgcu.edu/students/ward/dinosaurpages/apatosaurus.html http://dinosauricon.com/genera/apatosaurus.html http://www.prehistory.com/diplodoc.htm http://www.abc.net.au/dinosaurs/fact_files/scrub/diplodocus.htm |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 185/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Well, I just want to learn, believe it or not.  I take a side, and now I've learned a little bit about behemoth. And radiocarbon dating (I decided to look that up too.) That's all I'm looking for. People who call me close-minded / bickering just haven't picked up on my style yet. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 186/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| I'm all for cousin love.. I mean, not personally (only have one female cousin, and I only remember meeting her once), but I don't see what's wrong with it. However, no, you shouldn't tell her. You shouldn't be ashamed, but it'd just be weird, and you're not going to get any from her (as well you shouldn't.. the age difference is more alarming to me than the relation.) Just try to get pictures of her in the shower or something. And give them to me. But it'd just a crush, like having a hot teacher, and you'll get past it. (edited by hhallahh on 05-02-04 03:40 AM) |
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