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tuna ... Level: 3 Posts: 203/2 EXP: 51 For next: 77 Since: 12-02-04 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| *Alexa invisions a button saying "You need a broswer that's been updated in the last 4 years to view this page." And as a general WTF at "Narf", how the fucking hell can a page get -smaller- when -adding- things? And on the subect of file size, I'm about 100% sure that this conversation was dealing with the -OUTPUT-, not the source. OUTPUT size does matter, becuase some unfortunate people like myself still use dialup and watch as that extra 1k of < Besides, who the hell needs XHTML? OMG I CAN WRITE XHTML MY PAGE > YOUR PAGE LOL! Did we all forget this little thing called "html" (which, I'll admit, this board fails at but not as bad as OMG XHTML) which works fine (especially HTML 4.01 Transitional, and before you say something about it being un1337-look-at-my-xhtml-penis it works perfectly fine) Also, you morons forgot to take one important factor of Acmlmboards into account. LAYOUTS. (text huge for emphasis) LAYOUTS will ALWAYS end up fucking up your little omg-xhtml shit. This board will never conform to your pathetic little standards because of the nature of layouts. In short: Get over it. It's fucking code. Unless you view this page through a 10-yhear-old toaster, stop whining. Even then it's your fault because you're using a 10-year-old toaster. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1111/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Xkeeper wins. Flawless Victory. Fatality |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1060/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Based on Xkeepers logic, he can also use Netscape 1.0 for his normal browsing. Sure it worked back then, but not so much now. XHTML is really the next version of HTML... HTML didn't die at version 4.01, it combined with XML to form XHTML. And yeah... X's button still rules out IE.  (FYI, the real last upgrade occurred around 8 years ago, with version 4.0) |
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tuna ... Level: 3 Posts: 207/2 EXP: 51 For next: 77 Since: 12-02-04 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by FreeDOSOh yes. That's why we're at version SIX now. (as opposed to 4. You fail.) |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1061/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by AlexaOriginally posted by FreeDOSOh yes. That's why we're at version SIX now. Besides how it looks, name one capability that 5.x or 6.0 has brought internally in cooperation to standards. |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 455/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| oh well. at least i can take solace in the fact that opposition to change and lack of felixibility will hurt you in the business world. people who are unable to break out of functional fixedness are unable to adapt. So in the end, those who are dynamic and forward looking enough win. (edited by Gavin on 02-04-05 06:52 PM) (edited by Gavin on 02-04-05 06:54 PM) |
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Emptyeye Real American Level: 67 Posts: 1402/2273 EXP: 2488421 For next: 104451 Since: 05-24-04 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Alexa I would totally buy a 10-year-toaster with web browsing capabilities. That is all. Well, not quite. Standards are well and good, but part of the problem with the W3C standards at present are that even huge web pages (In terms of viewers, not necessarily filesize) like Google will cause an XHTML validator to freak out if you run it through it. If huge, highly respected websites piss all over the standards, how can the average personal webpage coder be expected to follow them? |
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Elric Chasupa  Currently Playing: You Like A Lute. Level: 40 Posts: 341/687 EXP: 440016 For next: 1293 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melniboné Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Who the hell died and made W3 god, anyway? What gives them the right to say, "What we say is (X)HTML LAW!"? ANY group of jackasses, nay, any SINGLE jackass, can spit out a website telling you what the "standards" of (X)HTML are. Does that make them right? These are the same morons that tell you to use < |
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Narf Hi Tuvai! (reregistering while banned) Level: 16  Posts: 22/100 EXP: 17634 For next: 2622 Since: 12-26-04 Since last post: 22 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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Originally posted by AlexaYou basically said it yourself, output is what matters. I can have a PHP GDLibrary script that is 3 KB big in filesize, and outputs a 5 x 5 pixel image that isn't even 1 Kilobyte. But I can also have a PHP/ASP/whatever file with a loop outputting 'I like pie <br />' 1000 times, which would only be a few hundred bytes big, but would have a far greater output size. And 'Alexa', why is it showing off when I say I have my website written in proper XHTML and CSS? I'm simply using HTML the way it was intended. Just to name 2 others I know that write proper and valid XHTML (and are wonderful PHP scripters too, but that's another story): Jesper and Vystrix Nexoth. Are they show offs? Are they stupid just because they use things as intented? I hope you do take into account that both Jesper and Vystrix Nexoth pretty much own your asses at everything when it comes to webdesign (and scripting/programming, for that matter), and we all know they make a hell of a lot better sites and scripts than the majority of people on this board, including you two (knuck, 'Alexa'). So do I, and I don't know about Jesper or Vystrix, but I earn money and I'm a succesful webdesigner, with he fact that I adapt to the standards when it comes to (X)HTML and CSS being one big reason. Jesper, Vystrix and I achieved a lot and have great reputations when it comes to webdesign, because we know how to use stuff, in this case HTML, properly. And no, I'm not forgetting about layouts, hence is why I have them turned out. Would this board be in proper XHTML I would never enable layouts, because of all the morons here that can't use Hyper Fucking Text Markup Languages properly, hence why all the professional boards don't even have things like post layouts; and filter a lot of bad HTML out of signatures which they sometimes DO feature. But, this is going nowhere. Gavin, I and others may keep trying to tell you the importance of XHTML, but you don't understand, or don't want to understand. Fact is, we laugh at you for being such dorks. While we, stupid morons that adapt to stupid standards, advance, earn money and get a bigger reputation, you morons will stay stuck on this sole messageboard forever, showing off your post layouts which don't look as they're supposed to in any browser/computer system. (edited by Narf on 02-04-05 07:48 PM) (edited by Narf on 02-04-05 07:50 PM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 456/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by Elric lol..technically speaking, Tim-Burners Lee (founder of W3C) is God in the land of the WWW, seeing as you know... he created it and all? |
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Narf Hi Tuvai! (reregistering while banned) Level: 16 Posts: 23/100 EXP: 17634 For next: 2622 Since: 12-26-04 Since last post: 22 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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Originally posted by Elric<strong>, <em>, etcetera are for designers that want to have a proper looking and logical source. Not to forget, they were there sooner than your precious <b> and <i>. And Elric, W3C isn't just a website set up by some group of youngsters claiming that they know how webpages are supposed to be written. It suprises me that a 30 year old person like you who's been involved with making websites for even longer than I did is so clueless about this subject. (edited by Narf on 02-04-05 07:58 PM) |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1113/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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| W3C is a bunch of morons who think they cna make "standards". Actually, they can. The morons here are the ones who think that W3C's standards are THE OMFG CORRECT XYZABCH TML MUST BE USED ELSE YOU SUCK AT WEBDESIGN. | |||
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Elric Chasupa Currently Playing: You Like A Lute. Level: 40 Posts: 343/687 EXP: 440016 For next: 1293 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melniboné Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I'm not clueless, I just don't give a shit about W3. Just because they say they're right doesn't mean they are. And frankly, who the HELL spends so much time looking at the source of webpages for businesses? The consumer sure as hell doesn't. The consumer doesn't care if it's "standard" (X)HTML or not. They only care that the site works for them, so they can spend their money. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And people using "non-standard" (X)HTML can make just as much money as those who use "standard" (X)HTML. 99% of these companies wouldn't know "standard" (X)HTML from a hole in the ground. They want the page to look pretty. And Gavin, just because someone made a website doesn't make them a god. Is Zohpar a god of emulation news, since he created Zophar's Domain? No. Are Acmlm or myself gods of ROM Hacking, since we created websites for it? No. So good for Timmy. He made a website to shove his views down our throats. Doesn't mean he's right. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1063/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| As for the bad nesting, fixing it would possibly make the PHP code itself look messy, God forbid any acmlmboard PHP code would look messy.  They only care that the site works for them, so they can spend their money. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Read FreeDOS's post.  (edited by windwaker on 02-04-05 08:08 PM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 457/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by knuck those "morons" invented the world-wide-fucking-web knuck, you're such an ass-clown . It's not my fault you only picked up bits and pieces of HTML and can't code a proper page. But i'm sorry, you're right, you and Xkeeper probably know more than the pioneers and inventers of the world wide web as we know it, how silly of me to think otherwise. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1064/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by knuck |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 458/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by Elric i'm sorry you seem not to understand. he's not just some jackass with a website, HE CREATED THE FUCKING WORLD WIDE WEB. Originally posted by windwaker lol, yah seriously. (edited by Gavin on 02-04-05 08:13 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1065/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| I'm not clueless, I just don't give a shit about W3. Just because they say they're right doesn't mean they are. OH MY FUCKING GOD. Either you're clueless, or you don't have a penis, or you really don't know shit. Like gav said, THEY CREATED EVERYTHING. THAT'S LIKE TELLING ME I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL MY OWN NAME. |
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Narf Hi Tuvai! (reregistering while banned) Level: 16 Posts: 24/100 EXP: 17634 For next: 2622 Since: 12-26-04 Since last post: 22 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| Elric, W3C doesn't just claim they're right, but they are the fucking founders of pretty much the whole World Wide Web on which you are browsing a forum on now. They don't have their current position just because they made a website for the standards, no, they MADE the standards, right from the beginning. They ARE the standards. It's not just a website telling people how ONE person or company feels like things are supposed to be done. Yes, unfortunately there are a lot of designers that make money in spite of the fact they write horrible pages, and I despise every single one of them. But, I'd love to see their position in a few years. XHTML importance is becoming bigger and bigger and I'm seeing an obvious increase in (my own) clients and people hiring me that they want an XHTML page. Ever applicated at a good webdesign/scripting company? If you don't know how to properly write something simple as HTML even, they'll laugh their arses off. Ugh, your vision on this disgusts me. You people think is that as long as something looks right for YOU, it IS right, but it actually isn't. And you know what? Over 2 years ago I used to think exactly the same about XHTML, claiming how useless it was, and only now while I've been using it properly, I realise what a total, amaturistic idiot I was back then. Then fine, if you really want to use something the way it's NOT supposed to be used, then go ahead, I won't stop you, but don't say I didn't warn you. I will keep writing webpages for my clients and myself in proper XHTML and earn a lot of money with it, you'll never get anywhere special with your crappy webpages, and your vision for that matter. |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 459/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| one more thing to add... i wasn't making this thread to say "OMFG THS W3bSiTE BL0wS B3CUZ IT H4S NO STANDARDIZATION", i was merely asking "Will this site make moves towards it" out of curiousity because i happen to think it would be a cool thing. I don't go around pretending to act like an authority, inforcing standardization, i just happen to be for it. But to attack standardization and assert that it has some kind of adverse effect is just rediculous. I can understand being "meh" about updating something of yours, but to be against it is just... fucking retarded. |
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