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Should we have a staff re-org?| Oh...and maybe some reasons why you think the way you do as well. | Strongly For |
65.3%, 47 votes | Leaning For |
18.1%, 13 votes | Either Way |
9.7%, 7 votes | Leaning Against |
4.2%, 3 votes | Strongly Against |
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Kwan Doesn't have a valid sized userpic. ||bass will be pissed :(((((((( Level: 50  Posts: 1030/1137 EXP: 937111 For next: 10206 Since: 03-15-04 From: Durkadurkastan! Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by knuckOriginally posted by ColleenThat just reminds me, we don't need THAT much admins. It's all Danicess' fault amirite >( |
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Jizuko Jiz Is The Magic! This board has run out of mana and can no longer use The Magic Level: 51  Posts: 996/1191 EXP: 1004683 For next: 9255 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 230 days Last activity: 213 days |
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| Yeah, a staff re-org would be nice. Mainly to clean out inactive staff. And the fact that we don't need a single moderator for each forum. The board ran more than fine with just Ace, and given that Ace isn't even that active. Sure we had some threads laying around that needed to be closed, but if it ran ok with just him, I definately don't think we need 33 staff to 'quicken' the process. We don't need to close a bad thread the millisecond it gets posted. It's okay if it lays there for a whole second or two. Board won't collapse. And the more staff we have, the more views we have, and the more viewpoints we have the longer each decision takes. There's no swiftness in staff. We also need staff that will take an active part in private forums. You can't say that a forum "isn't moderated" just because we don't have a local for each, we have plenty of full mods and admins that can take care of any mess that arises in a forum. And if they don't check x forum, I'm sure a user will let us know or we'll check it after 1h-1d. Board won't die. That being said, I think some staff are too serious, rarely giving people chances unless they are popular or we know that they act in a certain way (then we might even give them too many chances). Thing is, newbies rarely get the time of the day to proove themselves. I'm not denying that we get 95% banned-material as newbies, but we can atleast give some people a chance by using the proper system of warnings before bans. Descriptive warnings. And if they screw up then, no loss, you just spent 5minutes extra of your precious life trying to help him/her be better. If it's done properly they don't have a reason to complain either. If we would've had the same mentality when the board started I doubt we'd have gotten above 100 users. People should be allowed to have fun. As for the hacking forum(s), if that's such a big problem (I don't know, I don't visit them) we can easily fix that. |
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knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1057/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Jiz, you have my babies.  So yeah that's exactly what i was talking about. Thankgod some staff member agrees with me. :o And guys, remember; Originally posted by Jizuko |
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macks Level: 45 Posts: 543/900 EXP: 659955 For next: 209 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 22 hours |
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| "Live the fun posting experience" Yeah, I remember that. |
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 318/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Yes, strongly for. I make one thread in the CD about something that caught my eye (which happened to be the coincidental lining up of a few members) and the thread is trashed within 2 minutes. I've seen much worse threads go untouched in there, I could play once card, but I won't right now. If this trend continues, then I shall... So yeah, staff re-organization.  |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 1147/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Eh. *shrugs* A change is as good as a holiday. |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 740/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Tarale Not always  Consider people losing interest or lacking of time. Of course to force someone him/herself to go to the board and give up any real life activities sucks, so these things should be left out anyway. As for board staff, I'm not that active, but someone won't need to post often to moderate in a good way. For example you could have had your last post seven days ago, but you have closed ten threads without posting the comment, or simply editing the reason into the last post (I know, closed threads without an explanation are bad), so post counter alone =/= indicator of staff quality. If someone is inactive for a month, the computer might be broken or holiday, but who was not there for more months, but is online in an instant messenger daily, should think about reatreating. Exceptions might be the admins. Do you would ban Acmlm if he wouldn't be active, let's say for about five months without a post? It is at least his board, an example how a board can be run without a proper site (Acmlm's site wasn't updated in ages, due to lack of time). Whatever, I won't vote for a full staff reorganization, but it should be discussed openly or in the restricted forum about each staff member - I rarely visit any other forum than Hardware, General Chat and Super Mario World Hacking, so can't tell  |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1550/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Remember, less mods means more raping time in stupid pointless annoying threads =D I'm for it. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1561/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I voted Strongly For. I like the staff here. They have never given me any problems, and if I break any rules, I apologize, make a note not to break them again, and don't break them again. However, at the same time, some people I've never seen online once in my entire time here. I believe the staff should be cut and dried, because of inactivity. I don't see anyone whom I could classify as "corrupt" or "evil" or "DUBMASSLOLZ" or anything like that. Just cut down the staff to people who are active, maybe add members who are active and deserve a part in discussions, whatever it takes. |
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Jesper Busy, busy, busy. Level: 69  Posts: 1650/2390 EXP: 2856000 For next: 13743 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden. Since last post: 176 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| As the number of people in a certain staff level approaches x, they help relieve each other of work. As the number of people in a certain staff level approaches infinity by growing beyond x, the likeliness for bureaucracy and inactivity to flourish as it gets harder and harder to get stuff done approaches 1. x is a positive non-constant (and highly fluctuating) integer dependent of personal opinion, size of forum, number and severity of staff conflicts / holy wars, x for other staff levels, whim of Caesar and phase of moon. We now return to your regularly scheduled revolutionary effort. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6244/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Put it this way, Grey - IF we ever found a staff member being corrupt/biased and had proof to back it up, he/she would be sent packing tout suite. No tolerance for that here. If the shuffle happens (and based on the poll results so far... oh boy), there's a lot of factors that have to be considered - but the committee will be just and fair. |
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Zem You can be civil without being flowery, dipshits. Level: 49 Posts: 589/1107 EXP: 829398 For next: 54485 Since: 06-13-04 Since last post: 131 days Last activity: 131 days |
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 That's a very nice curve. 16 local mods... 6 full mods... 10 admins. Looks like it could use a shuffling at least. I went "leaning for." |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 1944/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| My two yen the number of local mods seems okay although some forums do not need more than 1; including mine--although I wouldn't mind moving to the programming forum but that is for the committee to decide. Anyways, full mods and admins should be spread out such that there isn't a concentration of them in one time slot (although I haven't looked at where all the staff lives) Yes the board is predominantly -5 GMT so that numbers are skewed right there but if we do have staff reorganization I think that should be taken into account. Anyways, I'm indifferent on board reorganization. Whatever happens, happens. I've never been prescence here, which probably will lead to my dismissal--but whatever. The same thing can be said the other way, if you are a prescence here doesn't mean you deserve to be staff. |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 3890/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by Rydain In a nut shell, is this pretty much how I feel about it, save for a few things, like the inactive staff part of it. Yes, people do have lives outside this board and do need time off to deal with those matters, but being gone totally, without a post for month(s), is a bit over the top. As for not enough local mods to watch certain forums, that why we have FMs and admins. Maybe it would be better to have a FM that's more knowledgable about hacking and so forth and do away with locals there, or keep one LM as a back-up. Just a thought that I am throwing out into the wind. Either way, we need a group of staffers that will work together towards the same goal. Doesn't mean that we all have to like each other ( ), but as long as we are trying to do our best for the board as a whole, than that's good enough for me.((yes, I have more thoughts on this, but with held at this time)) |
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cpubasic13 17 years old now. Time to buy some M rated games by myself! Level: 54  Posts: 823/1346 EXP: 1206934 For next: 26936 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blame my parents, Eddy Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I am kind of leaning towards this. There are some staff members that could stay but others should not be staff. Plus, there are others out there who deserve to be staff just because of... well, others just deserve it. I would like the reconstruction, but some people should stay staff of their domain. |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 222/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by cpubasic13You say that as though moderator/administrator positions are rewards. It is a job, and one that should be given to those willing to do that job and do it well. It's a job, not a status symbol. To return to the topic at hand, I voted neutral; I'm not as active at this board as some are, and I don't visit that many forums, so I'm not as intimately familiar with the goings-on. I don't really have any issues regarding the staff assignments, though there are more people in top-level positions (administrators) than in the next lower-level position (full moderator), which strikes me as a bit odd... though if administrators are needed more than full moderators, then so be it; it would seem that the move from "Local Moderator" to "Full Moderator" would imply the assumption of a greater level of responsibility, whereas the move from "Full Moderator" to "Administrator" would seem to shift the responsibility from the day-to-day maintenance of the board to administration duties, i.e. instead of adding responsibility, it shifts it, even though Administrators certainly can (and regularly do) act in a Moderator capacity. In fact, it seems more often than not that Administrators perform Moderator duties more often than Moderators do.  *shrugs* as I said, I don't have a strong opinion on the specific matter of this board, as I don't pay as much attention to the moderation/administration that goes on, and that which I do seems to be meted out with, at the least, a passing regard for fairness. So, again, I've voted "neutral". I would, however, like to reiterate what Emptyeye said: Originally posted by Emptyeye...I do get the impression sometimes that "permanently banned" means "...for now". A permanent ban over non-trivial matters is a grave sentence, one that should confer a sense of absolute finality to those who witness it. If others see it and think "oh, he'll be back in a month or two", the judgement loses its weight, like with The Boy Who Cried "Wolf", and, as Emptyeye said, it gives the impression that the staff can be pushed around. No one, without a damn good reason, should ever be able to say "I was permabanned", let alone "I've been permabanned several times before". Similarly, the decision to impose a permanent ban should be given the utmost consideration. However, I'm straying somewhat off-topic here (how to manage the board != whether or not to tweak the staff list), so I'll leave it at that. </cent></cent> (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 01-21-05 01:42 AM) |
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DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 270/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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| After reading the last posts in here, I found out that I should have voted *leaning for* instead of *strongly for*... oh, well... I kinda agree with this: Originally posted by cpubasic13 Some of the old ones should stay, while others... hmmm... By the way, mods should quit closing threads because THEY do not like them, like I've seen happening quite a few times now. Some mods close threads just to show that they have power. The purpose with the mods is to keep this place clean and tidy, not to be proud of having a mod status (although I actually understand why people are proud of it). |
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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 4854/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Mm...this is definitely good reference material for Sunday. Okay, that said, committee will more than likely be getting to work on things this coming Sunday. It seems the general consensus of the board has been met and there seems to be a -high- amount of interest in terms of getting this done, all for varying reasons. So, hopefully we can address some of those once we get to that point this Sunday. Thanks for the feedback, everyone. |
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Keitaro Iron Knuckle ウラシマ ケイタロウ Level: 54 Posts: 947/1342 EXP: 1201569 For next: 32301 Since: 03-15-04 From: Hinata, Japan Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker I basicly agreeon this. Though I think the current administrators are doing a fine job and I personaly have no complaints as of yet, I think a few ore local mods should be assigned to some of the overlooked forums. SMW, as HyperHacker said, but also Pokemon hacking. Now no ones saying Kawa is not doing an awesome job, I can seriously vouche he is. But of course, you cant even beging to imagine the amount of bullshit that can go on in there. And because none of the higher-ups want to waste their time even sorting through that forum for legibility, its up to the local mods to shape it all up, and ..well, I think it wouldn't hurt if there was another mod or so helping out, it might help clean things up for us people serious about the kind of stuff that *should* be going on in that forum. Now I can think of one person aside from myself that would work quite well with Kawa in the mod position (please don't interperate this as a beg for power I'm just ntoing, I fit the qualifications for that particular forum), and we're both skilled with the subject material (hell, we've even been involved in EM development at one point or another). I know alot of you don't go in there, but some of us do, and it wouldn't hurt to see it looking a little bit nicer, if its alright with you.In general though, the aministrative staff could use little improvement...at least in my mind anyway. No complaints (edited by Keitaro on 01-21-05 11:21 PM) |
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Cornellius Buster Beetle Level: 33  Posts: 130/460 EXP: 224182 For next: 4997 Since: 06-04-04 From: Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 10 hours |
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| Ok, listen. I'll go directly to the point. I know that I'm not an old member but I saw some things that caught my eyes. I'll go without telling names. As soon as a newbie or an ''un-popular'' member say something off topic, spam or post some jokes that have NOTHING to do with the topic, they get banned, while popular members almost get away with a reward. The rules shoud be for everyone. Members that are banned just because someone find him annoying ? Why not just stop reading the dude posts ? Whoever you are, the rules applies to you too, even if you're Jesus Christ in person. I see it this way : Popular and un-popular class, and it looks like the two classes are not under the same rules. Now before go angry on me, listen: I'm not bitching at anyone, I've had a LOT of good moments here. I just wanted to talk about things that I see sometimes. It's just my two cents. |
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