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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 220/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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First image released to the public. This is of the surface of Titan (one of Saturn's moons), about 16KM above the surface, taken by the Huygens probe as it descended to the surface. The image is raw and unprocessed/uncleaned. More images should be released in the coming hours and days. (Update) http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/%7Ekholso/data.htm = assorted unprocessed images, including some nice shots of the surface. it looks eerily similar to Mars. (Update) Enhanced versions of three images The top image there has rounded rocks. That, by itself, is not strange; it is quite common here on Earth... due to liquid erosion (water here; liquid methane or such on Titan). (edited by Vystrix Nexoth on 01-14-05 09:08 PM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 1041/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| It looks as barren as Mars, I hope things look up as it starts to take more photos because things look pretty disappointing. However, if there's evidence of water errosion, it could turn out to be very exciting. Seeing as Titan still has an atmosphere, we might see the first rivers outside Earth. I think Cassini is equiped with radar, so if Huygens disappoints we'll be able to see the whole planet unwrapped like we saw Venus in the 1990s  Edit: I just checked the Cassini Huygens site at Nasa, and two of those photos were taken from the decent camera, so it was about 20 miles up! What looks like mountains and vallies is in fact the difference between low and high ground, and they say that there are rivers that join a coastline too. This is really cool stuff, I can't wait to see things being confirmed in the next few days  (edited by Kasumi-Astra on 01-14-05 05:47 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6179/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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...Water.  Really nice pictures for a first effort, but I think the sheer fact that you might have actual rivers makes this > the Mars Rover.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 2448/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| We already KNOW Europa has water We also know that due to fluctuations of temperature on the planet's ice sheet that it could be warm under the ice. Europa has a small atmosphere...Europa will probably have intelligent life, of a sort we've never seen. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 976/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Yeh, they say we'll make it to Europa within the next 30 years. And if there're geothermal vents on Europa, we might find life there . |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1043/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Unfortunately it'll be far more difficult to plan a mission to Europa. Such a craft would have to be extremely complex in order to tunnel through the ice sheet to get into it's oceans. It'll have to get through space first, then land, then melt through the ice (which requires a serious amount of energy for a lander), and then it'll have to navigate through the water below. Even though Europe looks really smooth from an orbit around Jupiter, the surface will probably be quite unstable, like that of a glacier. It's covered in cracks in the ice that would most likely swallow a lander up if it's unlucky. A pretty disastrous end for an expensive lander. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 2921/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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That'd be quite awesome. Even if it wasn't intelligent life it'd be so cool to finally have a solid answer to the question of whether we're alone.  Heh, anyone read Space Oddysey 2001? Better keep a look out for any big black rectangles. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1050/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| We think that life may be a natural part of a planet's lifecycle, if the conditions are vaguely right. If we find any sort of life on either Europa or Titan, it'd be a start. At the moment, I'm only holding out for blue-green algae |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2466/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| On Europa I'm thinking we'll find more than just algae. I have that nutbar's intuition that there is rudimentarily intelligent life on Europa. Like neandrathal's of the sea. | |||
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 979/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker It's actually where I first heard of Europa, but the idea of their being life on it extends far beyond just that book. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1057/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Fiver says there isn't I reckon at the very most we'll see the sort of life we find around the volcanic vents at the bottom of our oceans. I reckon Europa will only be warm enough, and provide enough energy to support the most basic life at best. Mind you, it could well be warmer under the ice, like the greenhouse effect on Earth and Venus. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 6199/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Algae by itself would be enough to have scientists wet their pants, so I'd like to see something basic as that just to see the reactions and hyperbole that come out of it. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 490/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Nah, I think that a general biological law is that evolution proceeds at a pace proportional to that of how much energy a world has available. Europa doesn't have as much as Earth, hence it would be highly unlikely to find advanced life there... or, rather, it would be less likely. Assuming life to begin with is pretty sketchy. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 2476/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Given that the only place that we've observed life is Earth it is generally asanine to make assumptions of how evolution will proceed on other, different worlds. And when I say intelligent, to say that is relatively sketchy too, because intelligence is relative to our species and other forms of intelligence may go unnoticed. But given that in some places the ice is thicker than Antarctica's and that there is probably a lot of room for things to live and grow, with plenty of volcanic energy that is trapped (kind of like under a solar blanket) the ecosystem there could be vibrant with life and full of uniqueness. (edited by Ziffski on 01-16-05 02:31 AM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 6650/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1068/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Either Europa or Titan. If Algae can survive in the Antarctic and Death Vally, then it's possible we might find something very similar on both moons. | |||
Uly Koopa Level: 16 Posts: 10/104 EXP: 18066 For next: 2190 Since: 01-16-05 From: México Puebla Since last post: 279 days Last activity: 159 days |
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| The universe is boring. Believe me. I've been there on my dreams, there's nothing to see. The only good thing about the universe is Earth's life, the earth has the most interesting stuff in the whole universe. Can we finnish our earth exploration before going to space? Please? |
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David Lindon Newcomer Level: 4 Posts: 5/6 EXP: 257 For next: 22 Since: 12-31-04 Since last post: 284 days Last activity: 284 days |
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| Wow, its such an achievement to send a spaceship to mars! (edited by David Lindon on 01-16-05 02:26 PM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1072/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Mars? Titan is one of Saturn's moons. Could you please try to read a thread in detail before posting, please? | |||
Cruel Justice XD Level: 55  Posts: 552/1384 EXP: 1253266 For next: 60923 Since: 03-20-04 From: Darkwoods Penetentiary Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Looks a bit like an overdue bowl of porridge. It is interesting though, water on a moon. Perhaps there's a chance NASA can finally figure a way to leave earth to a nother planet and create a suitable habit for living outside the space stations. |
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