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Posted on 11-11-04 03:08 AM Link | Quote
After viewing the ending, I am so pissed off I'm going to rip somebody's face off, and slam their body into the ground and run them over with a tank until there is nothing left.

Anyone else beat the Campaign yet?
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Posted on 11-11-04 04:33 AM Link | Quote
already beat it....well....I gotta say im not suprised....I never really like halo that much anyway...I think everyone makes too much of a big deal about it...and it you beat it already...then I hate to say..but I dont think ill even try it...
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Posted on 11-11-04 07:46 AM Link | Quote
For clarification purposes... I assume you are referring to this?

From Penny Arcade
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The one thing I can tell you is that the game does not appear to have an ending. Whereas the first game did not end, indeed, stubbornly refused to end, even once the content had been utterly used up, Halo 2 goes to the credits at the very moment the story begins to glow hot with heat. I didn't believe it when I first saw it, and I speculate that those who are victorious on Legendary mode are rewarded with more - but when I say more, really I mean anything at all.

(Not really a spoiler, but if anything in this thread is, it's that)
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Posted on 11-11-04 08:02 AM Link | Quote
maybe somebody could post the fuckin ending for me?
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Posted on 11-11-04 10:28 AM Link | Quote
Ive playued about 6 hours of it so far.

I have to say, I have some disapointments.

For one, the guns. They added alot of useless stupid fucking guns. the pistol is a joke. that thing you pull off the sentinals that shoots a steady beam is also a joke. Th mini-uzi is dumb and runs out of ammo real fast.
Since the mini-uzi is your main weapon, when you die, it becomes a quest to find a decent weapon. I dont like that at all. It effects multiplayer drastically. I liked being spawned, and having a gun thats balanced with everyone elses. I dont like having to go hunt down a gun in order to do damage. By changing that, they've turned it into "Know the map to win", instead of "Have some fucking skill to win".

I dont like how the life/sheilds thing was changed. I noticed that the enemies hurt you more, too. Three or four shots, and you have to go hide. I like hiding to recharge, but its rediculous to do it every 10 seconds.
In Halo 1, when your shields went down, you had the option to continue fighting and brave it and start losing life, or to hide. Now, when your sheilds are down, you MUST hide or you die.
Also, I liked the medpacks, and hoping you run into one if you only have 1 life dot left. The medpacks also gave the game some atmosphere. they were usually only in logical places, like spilled out of a downed escape pod or something. meh.

The AI seems cool, but i noticed taht its not as interactuive anymore. Plus, it doesnt take that long at all to kill enemies. You dont get that same intimate battle experience anymore. I noticed that the enemies tend to stare off into the distance alot and they fire randomly in directions where there arent any bad guys way too much. I played on Heroic hoping that this was fixed at all, but instead, the enemies only take more damage and deal more damage; no new AI. Also, I rarely use Melee anymore. It seems like you have to get alot closer, and aim just right to pull it off. Also, the time between shooting and then melee and then back to shooting has been extended. That deleted another form of the strategy. Melee is fucking useless now (unless you sneak up to someone in the back).

The levels so far arent as fun. I liked the outdoor levels with big open areas. Im at the first Covenant mission, and so far everything has been "Run down the street. now run here. you're in a room, go out the only door". Its too formalaic. Although most of the indoor levels of Halo 1 were like this, the outrdoor levels made up for it.Im hoping that theres more outdoor open areas with large scale battles.

the battles used to be fun, too. Because of the weakened AI and the adding of stupid big dumb unbalanced guns, battle is a Run and Gun. Wo0o0o. I thought i played this 349023890 fucking times before. Nope, more run and gun. Shoot the enemy who's rarely moving enough, and then shoot the next. Seriously, the intamacy of large scale battle is lost. Its doom fucking 3.


It just seems that alot of the things i liked the most in the first Halo were taken out or edited. It sort of feels like they went and asked people that didnt like Halo what they should put in to make them like it. And now, Halo has lost some of its charm, and replaced it with generic Run n Gun action, badass graphics, and annoyingly long scenes (tho, they are interesting). I dont know. Ill finish it still, but i feel like this game came dangerously close to becomming Star Wars Episode 1. I wish someone could mod the Origional Halo and add the new vehicles and make new levels.
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Posted on 11-11-04 10:35 AM Link | Quote
I'm only up to the first Covenant level on Legendary (which is nut bustingly hard)...And I have to say that I love the story. In the first Halo you only saw the Covenant as monsters killing without reason. In this, you understand that they are real creatures, with society. They are more than just blood thirsty demons. The role is reversed. It is an excellent tale of redemption, duty and faith. So far anyways.
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Posted on 11-12-04 11:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ziffski
I'm only up to the first Covenant level on Legendary (which is nut bustingly hard)...And I have to say that I love the story. In the first Halo you only saw the Covenant as monsters killing without reason. In this, you understand that they are real creatures, with society. They are more than just blood thirsty demons. The role is reversed. It is an excellent tale of redemption, duty and faith. So far anyways.



I have to agree with you there man, the story rocks in my own thoughts, but it's just the ending that makes me mad. (possible spoilers, maybe)

If bungie had a bit more time they should have made it a good cliffhanger, because leaving the game exactly where it left at the end makes a halo 3 possible, but it just dosen't give any closure whatsoever.
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Posted on 11-13-04 08:45 AM Link | Quote
I'm only on the third level of legendary, so I won't know for a LONG time if there is a special ending or not. I'm hoping its better, but if you waited through the credits...
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Posted on 11-16-04 04:23 AM Link | Quote
Worst cliff hanger ever....it felt like half a game.
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Posted on 11-17-04 02:47 AM Link | Quote
I'm just going to go ahead and say this:

I'd rather play Halo's campaign than Halo 2's. It feels much more dramatic, more realistic, flows better, and leaves you satisfied. I've probably beaten Halo completely through 50+ times, but no matter how hard I try Halo 2 just seems to be boring. Things I didn't like:
- The way the levels were setup, you'll believe you're on level 2 when you're on level 5.
- The rock music. My god, please, they felt completely out of place and didn't fit the mood at all.
- Way too many plotholes.
- Seemed short.

Still though Halo 2 is a finely polished game, multiplayer is kick ass. Already been to a few LAN parties, and now I'm just waiting to get Xbox Live.

Still though Halo 2 does definently have some dissapointing parts, and things just seem rushed and incomplete. Hopefully the next one will be better ...
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Posted on 11-17-04 04:34 AM Link | Quote
Rumor flying around closed Halo circles. The game you see is not the way the game was supposed to be. The Arbiter was added in after the fact, etc. Basically, MS made Bungie change the game so that it would be set up for a sequel.
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Posted on 11-17-04 06:24 AM Link | Quote
Yep, I take it you read this by any chance?
http://bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1074758

(I read the entire thing ... lol)

Some of it, I will say is very believable. I seriously can recall Bungie saying that this will "End the Halo series" and be the last Halo game, saving human kind.

Nonetheless if you haven't read that post at bungie.net (Ziffski, mainly you) you should seriously check it out, that guy points out a lot of good things to spark speculation.

I also dislike how the books are very distant now. According to First Strike the Covanent had in fact found Earth, human's homeworld, and were preparing to attack it. Well according to Halo 2, the Covanent "stumbled" upon it, accidently. I know that the books and games are not supposed to be linked, but it would have made the Halo universe entirely, better if you ask me.

Also like you said Ziffski the guy and many others claim the Arbiter levels to be "filler" levels, that were originally not going to be in the game.

Either way, Bungie sure did promise a lot of things that we didn't end up getting.

But if you can look back to 1998 when Halo was first in development, you'd know it changed completely when Microsoft bought out Bungie, and nearly forced them to make the game for the Xbox.


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Posted on 11-17-04 07:17 AM Link | Quote
That's where I got the info buddy.

When Halo was first announced for Mac as a Myst styled adventure game, I creamed myself. When Halo was going to be moved to PC as a 3rd person shooter-adventure...I was completely against it. Then I didn't hear anything about it. Rented an X-Box and Halo. Played through to the first appearance of the Flood and fell in love with the most engrossing FPS I've ever played. The game is DESIGNED to be simple, and that alone is revolutionary in this day and age.
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Posted on 11-17-04 11:09 PM Link | Quote
I specifically remember hearing them say "this game will end the war between Earth and the Covenant" what the hell happened?

I cant get over the way it feels like its half a freakin game? Im thouroughly disappointed in the story mode, the multiplayer is the only that saves this game.
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Posted on 11-18-04 02:00 AM Link | Quote
With the E3 demo level being taken out.

"It was boring, and there were framerate problems."

Quote from Bungie staff that you can hear on the LE disc.

My assumption is Bungie purposely did what they did to wait for the Xbox 2 / Xenon, or whatever next platform they're going to go on to make Halo 3 and make it with what they wanted, and what they wanted to originally do. Apparently from what they "make" it sound like, the Xbox alone wasn't powerful enough to fufill everything that they wanted to be in the game.

So in short Bungie made Halo 2 the way it is purposely, so they can make another Halo game to an extent they originally intended and wanted.

Sure it's an excuse, but if we get a Halo game with levels that look like all of the levels on Earth in Halo 2, that would ultimately kickass. (those 2 levels were easily the best ...)


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Posted on 11-18-04 06:21 AM Link | Quote
Indeed they were. And I'm hoping to find out more about that oh so crazy should be boss that you get to speak to. You know who I'm talking about

As long as we learn more about the Flood, on the CE: DVD they made stipulations that the flood originated on that gas harvesting station that you board on the first arbiter level. It makes a lot of sense. That holding tank with pre-developed flood larvae. A lot of sense is put into it. Although I'm hoping the Flood have some more secrets to give out.
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Posted on 11-18-04 07:07 AM Link | Quote
Speaking of the Flood, check out this un-included enemy that apparently didn't make the actual game: (if it stretches the page, go have a ball of cheese)








Here's a video:
http://useruploads.mythica.org/uploads/FloodJuggernaut.wmv

At first I kind of assumed the Flood were created by the Forerunner, as a "punishment" vessel to whomever wanted to control the power of the Halo's. (play god and in doing so, they must suffer the wrath of the Flood). That idea went down the drain once you learn the Forerunner actually wiped out their race to stop the spreading of the Flood.


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Posted on 11-18-04 09:47 PM Link | Quote
Wha...? You get to use an energy sword as Master Chief sometime? I was down to my friend's house in London last weekend, and he bought the game the day or night that it came out or something. Besides the addition of the new Covenant weapons, I'd rather have the guns from the old game.

I didn't see a whole lot of the game when I was there. We did some multi, then a couple random coop campaign levels. The big part of one was you were playing as Covenant, going down on some elevator, and flood kept appearing and you had to kill them. Then there was a city-like level, where there's a big walker thing going around and blasting the heck out of buildings with some beam coming from it's 'eye'. We did the final level last, but I missed most of the speech in the end movie. They probably explain what you see on the projector thing (I won't say what for those people that haven't beaten it yet), but I still wonder what the point of the whole game was.

Like I told my friend over MSN, it's probably gonna be like Final Fantasy all over again. It never ends

All the time building up to the release of the game, there's all this hype about how good it'll be and such, and I guess the game's good. The levels and stuff are new, and they're fun to play, but it leaves me wanting more.
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Posted on 11-20-04 08:18 AM Link | Quote
The story at the end was horrible.

There's no reason for such a crappy ending. Bad Bungie >(.

The Covenent were too human. Nuff said.

They completely changed the story from what the E3 demo promised; a war on earth, and a game about defending earth.
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Posted on 11-20-04 09:31 AM Link | Quote
READ THE THREAD AND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.

The damned comment of what was said at E3 has been mentioned nay a million and a half times. Please add something, anything, new to the conversation before posting.

Anyways, Halo Classic online. The Assault Rifle is back, hardcore.
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