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BookReader Ninji Level: 25  Posts: 176/232 EXP: 86317 For next: 3303 Since: 03-15-04 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico (Land of Disenchantment) Since last post: 22 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Smallhacker Green Birdo SMW Hacking Moderator Level: 68  Posts: 777/2273 EXP: 2647223 For next: 81577 Since: 03-15-04 From: Söderhamn, Sweden Since last post: 10 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 2688/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| No, because if you knew that, then you could surely think of many other ways to prevent it other than killing. Simple. | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1427/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by BookReader This is not, in any way, a hidden refrence to Bush =O That aside, I would not kill them. That's a selfish thing to do, no matter how widescale of an effect it would make if I weren't to kill him. Besides, I can just make him live in poverty, that should be easy enough. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 5632/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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I would just give him a flue or something, that's right. I'm going to try if the chaos theory is right.  In other words, I would try to change some things in his life. There and here so he won't even have a political career.  |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 4576/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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No, because how the hell would you know if he was growing up to be a new Hitler?  Is Bush killing his own countrymen? |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 917/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Millennium Neko If you count in sending America's army to a lame useless war, yeah. |
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Anya The Exile Ultima Mezcla de Yin Yan Level: 98  Posts: 3332/5337 EXP: 9530313 For next: 124040 Since: 03-15-04 From: South Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Why kill the parent? Why not the offspring? Its like..what would happen if you would have killed Darth Vader's mother -- you then kill Vader, and in return, no Luke, Leia..heck, no Star Wars....could you live that?  |
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The Guru of Furu Ninji Level: 26  Posts: 98/240 EXP: 90642 For next: 11633 Since: 03-18-04 From: Cali Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| how about you just imprisson the kid for life, or just send him to space or something. | |||
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1231/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| No - if YOU are doing the act of murder to prevent a future/theoretical murder, it is unethical. However, if your intent is to merely STOP a murder from happening in the PRESENT (say he is pointing a gun at a Quick-E-Mart attendant and threatening to shoot), then it IS ethical to kill him IF it is required (in other words, if you have a stun gun and a .45, you must ethically use the stun gun). Even though I would rather use a shotgun, if I had a shotgun and a cattle prod on me*, if I DID use the shotgun, I could be prosecuted for "Use of Unnecessary Force" - although, in 9/10 circumstances, I'd be let off scott-free, it's technically unethical'... * - I'm taking the role of a lost redneck who came in for a map. ' - Anyone desperate enough to rob a Quick-E-Mart in a rural farmland does, IMO, deserve to be treated unethically |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 474/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| The future is rewritten countless times every second, you can't know for sure that kid will be the next Hitler. | |||
Reshaper256 Bee Level: 19  Posts: 80/143 EXP: 34776 For next: 1001 Since: 09-14-04 From: United States Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Darn, that is a tough question. Of course, every one of us would choose to let the innocent person live, if there was another, better alternative that would stop the suffering of millions later on. I don't think the question was raised with that in mind however. If my only choice was to kill the innocent woman now, to stop terrible events in the future -- and I *know* that if I don't do that precise thing, those terrible events will happen, I believe I'd have to do it. Keep in mind that this child prevented from being born isn't actually Hitler, just like him, so you're not actually changing the course of events that have occured via "time-travel" or anything. You're altering your own future, like you could with any decision in your life. Look at it this way, if you had the choice to push a button and kill an innocent woman, or to push another button that lets thousands upon thousands of other innocent people die and suffer, which would you push? Thankfully our daily decisions aren't presented to us in such a way. We don't have the gift of such dreadful foresight, and for that I have to be thankful. |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1428/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Yiffy Kitten |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 413/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| The problem with these questions, of course, assumes the existence of a moral reality. I wouldn't say it's right or wrong... I'd simply say it's "smart" to kill that person, or his child, or whatever. Unless, of course, you stand to benefit from the next Hitler's rule. (edited by hhallahh on 10-29-04 12:12 AM) |
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Zem You can be civil without being flowery, dipshits. Level: 49 Posts: 246/1107 EXP: 829398 For next: 54485 Since: 06-13-04 Since last post: 131 days Last activity: 131 days |
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| What hhallahh said. We're assuming for the purposes of this question that we know completely... so under that belief, even if we're batshit fucking crazy, it's better to eliminate the child. Of course, it depends on the specificity of the prediction. If all we know is that the child is going to "cause a war", causing deaths etc., perhaps it's his unjust execution that would provoke this. |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 481/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| Hitler wasn't born evil. Saying some parents offspring will be the next Hitler and killing the parent for it, is just as justifiable as going out and killing everymember of society for helping to create such a person. If the person was already alive and was I dunno, in their preteens and already showing signs or brutality (Pushing kids off roofs, stabbing them with scissors) than I could see killing the kid a little bit more ethical, I would still prefor to have the kid go through therpy and everything instead though. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 2692/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I'm not sure if some of you understand. First, we know that the child will turn out to do horrendous things. But in knowing that, we can EASILY prevent it. I don't see what's so hard to comprehend about that. | |||
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Zem You can be civil without being flowery, dipshits. Level: 49 Posts: 247/1107 EXP: 829398 For next: 54485 Since: 06-13-04 Since last post: 131 days Last activity: 131 days |
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| This question is often framed in the context of a mysterious supercomputer that has predicted everyone's future career perfectly for some large number of years, such as five thousand. Then one day it predicts this kid will bring the downfall of civilization, blah blah blah. The question is unrealistic, though: it is based on the assumption that we know for a fact what the kid will do (the "supercomputer" is just one way of trying to get this concept across), and is therefore more a question of heart (or balls) than ethics. Will you kill the kid, if you KNOW he's going to fuck it all up? In real life, obviously, we never know for sure. And it's rare that there's a situation where we have a kid who will probably do something horrible in the future. All this question weeds out is the people who say "no" to killing the kid, who will definitely stay on the passive side in a real-life scenario where the outcome is not certain. This question could be applied allegorically to any number of situations today, but who cares? It really doesn't mean anything. I say, kill the kid in this scenario, but that doesn't mean shit in real life. =( |
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BMF98567 BLACK HAS BUILT A SILLY DICE-MAZE! GO! Current list of BURNING FURY >8( recipients: - Yiffy Kitten (x2) - Xkeeper Level: 53  Posts: 441/1261 EXP: 1094149 For next: 62970 Since: 03-15-04 From: Blobaria Special Move: Rising Meatloaf Backhand Combo Since last post: 21 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Just shoot the father-to-be in the nads. Bingo, he lives, and he has no evil offspring. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 562/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| From a utilitarian point of view: Go ahead, pull the trigger. From a deontological point of view: Don't kill him. Me? I'm a consequentialist. (edited by The SomerZ on 10-29-04 04:49 AM) |
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