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Gavin

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Posted on 10-21-04 12:50 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
Suffering is a part of life that people have to endure to survive. Everyone suffers in some way, or at least I would imagine so. This is not a matter of the child being "allowed to die." If I'm in intense pain, as I have been in before, I don't want to DIE. I want the pain to stop, not my life.

Personally, I look at it as economics. If the parents are attached enough to their child that they are willing and capable to shovel out the dough to keep the kid alive, so be it. I don't think it's the doctor's choice. The doctor doesn't face the same direct emotional impact of losing that child that the parents will.

If I was in that situation I would also consider whether there was any hope that my baby would somehow grow out of this condition. If money runs out as well as hope for the baby's future autonomy, he/she's dead meat. It's just the way it goes.


Originally posted by Apple
How would you feel if you told the parents to let their baby go and the next month or so, new technolgy comes out that would of been able to cure their child?


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[edit:] after reviewing the below post, I add an additional "word" and can only say: I rest my case.


(edited by Gavin on 10-20-04 03:53 PM)
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Posted on 10-21-04 12:51 AM Link | Quote
What if you had a seriously ill child? What if she was your daughter? Do you think you could pull the plug on her so easily?

These days, women get subjected to many tests before they give birth (especially when it's a first child, or the mother is 30 years and over), which excludes a lot of these cases. There are still things getting overlooked (I can't understand how they didn't see that 9 month old boy had 3 holes in his heartchambers), and it's just not fair to take the decision out of the parents' hands.
It's highly likely those children aren't conscious most of the time, so you can't bring the arguement of never ending pain.
If you ever have been in the hospital for a longer time and were in pain, you'd know doctors usually drug up patients, so they're more comfortable (and the nurses get less complaints <<; )

My sister was in the hospital for her first year and a half of life. She had her kidneys fail, her liver fail, her lungs go berserk, a bit of everything. She must've had quite a few near death experiences, basically. Most of it was due to severe allergies, but that wasn't discovered untill it was almost too late.
They started sending my mom to a counselor of sorts, to prepare her for the worst case scenario, and doctors have always, always warned my mother that my sister was likely to die before her 10th birthday.
She's 13 now, and driving everyone insane with her teenager antics and general bitchy attitude; her biggest problem is that she gets overstressed a lot.
If my mom had decided back then not to fight for her, she would never have known if there was a chance she'd pull through, which she did.

So no, I don't think doctors should ever have the right to decide on life or death matters. Technology and medical science advance so fast that, like Apple said, there's always a chance you can get cured tomorrow.
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Posted on 10-21-04 01:12 AM Link | Quote
I undertsand your opinion, Sofie. I guess I have this opinion just because it isn
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Posted on 10-22-04 01:17 AM Link | Quote
It's certainly the right of the parents to decide what happens.

But the question is, can the parents afford all this treatment? Or, since it's in the UK, should the government provide it solely because the parents will it to be provided? No. So unless the parents are willing to seek private medical treatment and pay for it 100% by themselves, then the State has a perfectly legitimate reason to deny treatment. I don't see why it's so taboo to say that some people should die if the cost the State a ton of money to keep alive.. it's not fair to taxpayers.
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