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Who do you want to win the up coming Election?| George W Bush |
26.7%, 28 votes | John Kerry |
53.3%, 56 votes | Other |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1171/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by amphros23 I think my ninth grade Biology teacher put it best..... "That which is classified as a living thing has to comply to three main rules. It has to reproduce, fuel itself, and respond to stimulus. Several undeveloped cells from the union of a sperm and egg DOES NOT A LIFE MAKE." In hindsight, I realize she has not accurately described a zygote, as there are considerably more than a few cells in the embryonic, germsomethingic and fetal stages of child development, but the point still stands. You can't kill something that isn't alive. And as for the rich white male prophecy, some of our best presidents came from scratch, and some came from top stock. But nowadays, social status does indeed place people in a latently "higher" stage of thought than everyone else. People who come from together, financially secure homes have been proven to do better in school, have higher opportunities in the world, and rise faster in society than someone who came from the bottom of the food chain. Basically, where you are in society is a gigantic factor in determining where you will go. Bush and Kerry are at the top of the list, both came from well bred, well fed homes, and both have no clue what it is like to be in the proletariat. They will never have the mindset that allows them to consider the lives of the masses, and that is what makes them both problematic on domestic affairs. I realize I am slightly contradicting my earlier position, but I still hate the Patriot Act and NCLB. Foreign policy, however, is a different matter. Iraq is where this election is going to come down to, and the president-elect is going to have to have a solid foundation there if they are going to appeal to the masses. It's sad. Really, really sad. We should leave Iraq, and the fact that Kerry wants us out of there is enough to give him my vote. And what do you know, my vote gives him fifty on this board. In any case, we'll find out tomorrow what will happen. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 432/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| Um, saying a zygote isn't human is a sketchy argument, but saying that it isn't alive is simply stupid. | |||
Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 301/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by hhallahh Of course...it certainly is alive. The question is whether or not it should be assigned legal rights that trump the pregnant woman's right to bodily autonomy. It seems that this is oftentimes what people are referring to when they state that a zygote, embryo, or fetus isn't alive, but you're correct that such a choice of words doesn't make sense. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 2331/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Rebecca Daise Yea, that mindless ranting tag was very, very necessary. Couple things I'd like to point out: "It's NOT proganda, it's NOT hype, Bush is a VERY bad man." That's just false. I don't like Bush either, but to say that Michael Moore's material is not propaganda is to be shitting yourself. Another thing I find weird about what you say is: "This country is being ran off of fear, capitalism and a very conceited man." Bush wants us to have a fear of terrorists coming to this country so that we can actually feel protected under him. And... as for capitalism... sorry to break it to ya, but no matter who you vote for (even for the third party candidates) in America, you are voting for capitalism, because there is no way in hell that any president will have any shot at changing that system, even if they want to. And, as for saying he's conceited, glad you know that, but pretty much every major politician has some ego problems, and this leads to having some conceit (and if that's not a word yet, then I shall make it one shortly). Granted, Kerry may be less conceited than Bush, but it's a pretty safe better that both hold conceit. "Seeing Iraqi children with arms blown open. Watching Bush feed this bullshit to us, it horribly irritates me. It's not right. IT'S WRONG. Iraq had no threat to us. They didn't kill one American citizen, EVER. They made no threats on us. They never made an attack on us" While all this may be true, it doesn't matter who you vote for as prez: they are pretty much going to be handling Iraq the same way, because we are in a fucking mess there now, and there aren't too many options. Granted, Bush and co. are the ones who got us into the mess, but now that we are there, choice of action is limited. "I hope Bush rots in hell..." Glad to know I am dealing with a very vengeful person. I wait in fear for your response to my post. -------------- Oh, and on all that other stuff said later: 1) Yes, you do have to possess money and power to be a major politician. But that isn't just in America. That's anywhere... if you want to have significant power in a country, you need some Benjies to help you out most of the time. 2) Those dudes ARE living! They just can't think or do jack shit, and can't really feel much either. So are they human? Well, we could argue on this for centuries, but we all know that the abortion arguments are clich |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 371/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Kefka |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1176/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by hhallahh There's a big difference between "life" as we see it and "alive". I don't want to delve into philosophy, but my definition of a living human being (so before you go and fire at me for talking about nonsentient animals), seeing as how they're capable of reaching a sentient thought pattern, is a being that thinks and feels. A fetus cannot think. A zygote has no brain. They have no feelings, and the embryonic stage of development has no nerves to feel pain. At least, I'm fairly sure the nervous system develops after that. If it doesn't, forgive my statement. You cannot hurt something if there is no way for it to be hurt. I've always seen the antiabortion argument as concentrating on what WILL be alive, as opposed to what is alive at the time. And, of course, Kefka is forgetting the fact that there's a good chance if you need an abortion, then you probably can't raise a baby at the stage in your life that you require an abortion at. It's harsh, but sometimes not having a baby go through a hard life, in which it might be put up for adoption, or have a parent that can barely support her-(and in some extreme cases him)-self, is better than watching it live and grow up in a home that isn't sufficient for physical and emotional support and development. This ties into my earlier statement, that to get ahead in society (and when I said society I didn't really mean just american society, yet somehow you jumped down my throat about it), you need wealth and a good, solid family foundation. Accidental children have an excellent chance of NOT having that support throughout their growth. Whenever you see a child go without, doesn't it pain you? Again, it's a harsh justice, but rather than watch the child suffer it might be best just to never have the child be born. You're going to think I'm ruthless and heartless for this, but that's the ugly truth behind the abortion/antiabortion issue. It all boils down to when you want to see a child suffer. And yes, I realize that NOT ALL accidental children live suffering lives of poverty, but many of them do. And yes again, I realize that I AM a white suburbanite slob who has no clue of the real world around him, but I'm still allowed to have views. Many of the people who express views around here are the same way. So don't go and say "Well, you don't know what you're talking about, because you haven't lived that life" because chances are, you haven't lived the other side of the issue either. And I have the experience of knowing what it's like to live a life of poverty, it SUCKS. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 185/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| "It's NOT proganda, it's NOT hype, Bush is a VERY bad man." As much as it is propoganda, I believe the word "propoganda" has some negative connontations, such as it's a bunch of lies. Time to go vote for Kerry ^^. |
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Lunar Depths Paragoomba Level: 14  Posts: 51/67 EXP: 11330 For next: 1741 Since: 09-01-04 From: New Jersey Since last post: 105 days Last activity: 105 days |
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| On the issue of abortion...I think the argument is basically a useless one. The two sides aren't even arguing the same issue. Pro-abortionists are arguing the right to chose. Anti-abortionists are arguing over when a soul enters the human body. That is, if you believe in the soul. Pro-life, pro-choice are both propagandous (I have no idea if that's even a word) terms. There will never be an agreement until both sides decide to talk about the same issue. As for this Bush attack...oh man. Where to begin? "I mentioned that the country is being ran by capitalism, but namely, I was referring to the business motivation between Bush and the bin Ladens." Aside from conspiracy theories, I'd love to see some proof of this accusation. What business motivation is there between Bush and Bin Laden exactly? If anything, there would be more of a business motive between Bush and Saddam regarding oil. But proof, missy, if you please. "Michael Moore's material, by definition, is propaganda, I admit that. But it's not lies or hype. It's not propaganda that's trying convince you of a misinformed view." The word propaganda as defined by The Merriam-Webster Dictionary 11th edition: the spreading of ideas or information to further or damage a cause; also: ideas or allegations spread for such a purpose. "Kerry wants to bring allies to the table and they've already shown support with this proposition. Having stronger allies than Poland (no offense Polish guys) which would help to take the load off our already weak troops. " Everyone wants to bring allies to our side. Every single president does, every military advisor does, and every citizen does. People would be stupid to push away help. The problem is not allies being pushed away, the problem is they don't agree with us for one reason or another. Not to go into that issue, I'm just bringing up the main point: Just because Kerry is president doesn't mean every country will magically want to be our friend. People have always hated America, they hate America now, and they will probably always hate America. It's the way the cookie crumbles. As for the rest, I'll address it later. I have to go class now and widen my mind, unlike some of the people here who can't seem to think outside of their own little box of prejudice. ~LD |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 303/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by Grey Sentience (i.e. sensation and conscious thought) is a function of the cerebral cortex. In a human fetus, the CC does not start to operate until 24-26 weeks gestation, which is the beginning of the third trimester. In the United States, nonmedically indicated abortions are simply not done in the third trimester. For one thing, nonmedical third-trimester abortions are illegal in forty states, and the few doctors who perform late-term abortions will not do them unless the woman's life or health is at risk. The vast majority of them take place in the first. |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 190/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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 Legion, do you realize that you just said "That propoganda sux, look at this anti-propoganda propoganda". http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/ |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 801/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Debunking propaganda is not in and of itself always considered propaganda. | |||
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 2410/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Oh dear.... Bush is currently winning. I hope it doesn't stay that way, or I'll lose faith in America. | |||
Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 56/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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Originally posted by DarkSlaya I guess you've lost faith in America, no doubt Bush is gonna win. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1178/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Don't you dare say that, it's not over until the last votes are counted, and I'm not gonna stop rooting for Kerry until it's finally over. In the words of a friend of mine, "I'm not sleeping til we have a president either way." | |||
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 697/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Well, I've posted some links to up to date Election information in This Thread if you want more information / break down of how things are going. Wasn't sure if I should post it in here or not, as it isn't exactly debate on the topic per se, it's more information.  |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 2417/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by Grey I'm looking at the current results, and I guess Bush will win, unless there is a miracle. I'm sure he wonder of how the hell is able to be winning for now. |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 58/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| Bush - 195 Kerry - 112 There's really no comming back from that. Kerry will get California though, that'll boost him 55 votes. Bush almost has Florida, if he claims that, than Bush deffinately has the election (as if he already doesn't). |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 804/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| 197 / 188 on CNN. So... yeah Kerry still has some catching up. | |||
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 1273/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The election is nowhere near over. It's going about the same as last election, and we all know how close that one turned out. | |||
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 60/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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| Kerry got California, that helps him alot, 55 points right there. Bush still has a small lead, and I think it'll all come down to Florida, and currently Bush is leading the votes in Florida. Bush - 210 Kerry - 199 (edited by Davideo7 on 11-02-04 11:21 PM) |
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