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Who do you want to win the up coming Election?| George W Bush |
26.7%, 28 votes | John Kerry |
53.3%, 56 votes | Other |
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Clockworkz Birdo  "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64  Posts: 1251/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I don't care. Asking for me to vote which one I want, Bush or Kerry? That's like asking me which Menendez brother is my favorite. I say... BOB DOLE!!! Also, try going to www.johnkerryisadeuschebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com That's the site, but I may have spelled it wrong  (edited by Comrade Clockworkzki on 08-16-04 01:19 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 1078/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| The Middle East is a virulent and unstable area due to modern misconceptions of Islam. We should've just stayed the fuck out of their. But no, we created Israel (a VERY bad choice) we defended them against the Arabs, which was only fair. We have to pick up our mess. We made it. Now we are spending, world wide, billions of dollars to the oil firms and to police the region. Perhaps if we just bowed our heads out in the 50s this wouldn't have happened. Its a little too late now, but with places like Iran (once Kameni dies, that area is going to become a liberal Muslim democracy, the youth there are rebelling) and that should spread throughout the Middle East. Places like the UAE and Kuwait are becoming more forward thinking nations. As well as various other nations. The big problems are going to start erupting in Africe. Sudan is just the beginning. We're going to see a thousand Rwandas and the first world showing apathy to suffering people. | |||
Raistlin the Red Robed Paragoomba Level: 15  Posts: 15/76 EXP: 14064 For next: 2320 Since: 08-08-04 From: Fort Hood, Texas Since last post: 362 days Last activity: 318 days |
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| I remember a long time ago, shortly after September 11th, people in America said "Bush declare war tommorrow!" or something to that effect. I coulda swore I saw the signs. Now, we just finished overthrowing a dictator, and people said "Bush, what in the world are you doing?!?!1/oneslash". Kerry has voted against armaments for the military, and one issue in particular that pretty much sealed his fate for my vote was he when voted NO to body armor for troops. Those are my friends... my battle buddies out there. Some of them I went to school with, some of them I trained with. Now, as far as I know, they all came back alive... one even got the pretigous Combat Field Medic Badge. I was proud. Out of everyone in my class of 400 that I went to train with, only 2 didn't go to Iraq. I'm one of them. I believe what Bush is doing is the right thing. No, we aren't over there stealing oil, for those of you niave enough to believe that. We are protecting a now growing NEW NATION. Let's say we give some of you what you want, and pull out right now. That country would once again be controlled, not by a dictator this time, who almost plays by the rules, but by a TERRORIST organization known as the Al Qaeda. I'm a Combat Medic for the U.S. Army. Even if Bush is sending us out to fight, I still support him and I am going to vote for him to get re-elected 2004. |
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Raistlin the Red Robed Paragoomba Level: 15 Posts: 16/76 EXP: 14064 For next: 2320 Since: 08-08-04 From: Fort Hood, Texas Since last post: 362 days Last activity: 318 days |
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| Comrade Leejnikov- Last resort, not neccisarily. Do I want to go to war? Are you crazy? Do you think I would enjoy going out of my way to go in 130+ degrees, without the comforts of home that most take for granted? No way. I don't want to risk my life just for the sake of doing it. And if the reports I read in my hood.mil email account is correct (and it is), it IS the Al Queda we are fighting in Iraq, along with this new Militia group we are currently locking down in the town of Nejaf, was it? Not sure exactly. Do I support blindly? No, not at all. I'm not going to support someone who wants to degrade the power of our military. |
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Subliminal Cukeman Permaban - Flaming staff, homophobia Level: 28  Posts: 263/322 EXP: 126544 For next: 4794 Since: 07-10-04 From: My House (Imagine That) Since last post: 407 days Last activity: 298 days |
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| As I said above, I VOTE PIE. Now I mean it though... |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 231/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by Raistlin the Red Robed Not quite. Kerry actually voted no to a massive $87 billion appropriations package that included many, many provisions, including the body armor (which was, in the scope of said package, an extremely minor item, comprising $300 million - 1/3 of 1 percent of its budget). Such packages must be voted for or against as a whole, so the Bush ad campaign claim that "Kerry voted no to body armor" is misleading because it implies that he specifically opposed that provision, which he was unable to do due to the nature of the vote. Not only that, Bush threatened to veto the package if the final version hadn't been to his liking, which makes his attack on Kerry for voting against the full package extremely hypocritical. Read the following sources for more detailed information: Spinsanity freep.com Ad Watch John Kerry's blog (of course, this is not a neutral source, but note that it provides a news article clip supporting my comment about Bush's hijinks with the $87 billion package) |
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Subliminal Cukeman Permaban - Flaming staff, homophobia Level: 28 Posts: 267/322 EXP: 126544 For next: 4794 Since: 07-10-04 From: My House (Imagine That) Since last post: 407 days Last activity: 298 days |
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| That MTV shit about how voting is so important, you know, if someone that was actually intelligent and all around HAD commen sense, and then run for president, people would probably vote for him/her and the vote count would rise.... or not | |||
Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 358/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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Originally posted by Raistlin the Red Robed My friends father and a friend of my mother are both in the army, both have served in Iraq and both are home now. Both are also saying about how our forces are fighting Al Queda as well. Interesting... People are very simple minded creatures. The media knows this. Watch it. They know we are easily sway by their opinions, and that if they stop menaging something for a week, the average person will forget all about it. I joked about this in history class when the current War on Terrorism and Iraqi War was brought up. My exact quote was somethign like "Cover a person's eyes for a week and they'll forget their own gender". The average person doesn't seem to see the past on things. Very little people know about our involvement with Iraq from 1991-2002. No one sees the reasoning behind terrorism. When it has reasons. Everyone just sees the now. They see people coming out of no where with no reason what so ever crash planes in to buildings. They see Bush with out reasoning attack a country that in their eyes didn't do a damn thing to us ever. The present is a very fucked up time but it has gotten to this point because of the past and people need to realize it. You need to see the reasoning behind everything or you'll just blind media sheep. You will be those people on September 12, wanting war and as soon as we declear it, you'll run back to your room and make a sign protesting it. You are the people who lines the street screaming at motorists and making everyone lives a living hell because you disagree. You are the ones who vandalize fucking buildings and get in fight with people because you see things your way. What the fuck is your problem. You want to protest? Go protest. But theres a difference between marching peacefully and respectfully than being total fuck wads. I'm sorry... Got in to a protesting rant... it just I got so sick of the protests around here. I couldn't go to certian areas of town, and if I could I had to go WAY out of my way to get their. Just so when I got there I got bitched at by hippies, college students, immgrants and people who are too young to vote because I wasn't protesting with them. I forgot what lack of purpose I had in making this post... Damn ranting  |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 94/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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Originally posted by Comrade Leejnikov More to the point, many American cities are designed so that using a car is more or less necessary to survival. Los Angeles is the archetypal example but most cities are like that to some extent. Freeways interconnecting a series of far-flung suburban tracts, with employment opportunities mostly a long way from where people live. Suburbanisation and all thar. And the freeways are so huge and fast, this means that cars are a supremely easy way to get around most cities - compared to European cities, at least, which I imagine are more like Sydney, with large streets that have traffic lights as the main arteries (rather than a 'stoppage free' freeway system with no traffic lights). There's also the problem that public transportation in most cities (excluding, say, New York and San Fransisco) is so bad, sporadic and underfunded that for most people it's just too much of a hassle. I use San Diego and LA as my main point of reference here but I understand that their situations are fairly typical. So cars are relatively easier to use in the US than in Europe/elsewhere, while public transit is relatively more of a hassle, than in Europe/elsewhere. I guess the solution is to improve the bloody public transit systems and maybe find disincentives to the use of cars. Cars are already becoming more of a hassle due to fuel prices so that's taken care of. There's far deeper and more systematic issues at play that make the US such a driving-dependent and oil-using nation, than just mere selfishness and individualism. Though, those traits are probably partly what led to the situation that exists, with the layout of cities and the shriveling of public transportation. And come to think of it, I can't think of any explanation other than "selfishness and individualism" to account for all those appallingly enormous trucks and SUVs people drive. I mean, really... civilians driving HUMMERS!?!? Little known fact: Los Angeles' vast urban sprawl and far-flung suburbs owe something of their existance to a world class light-rail public transit system about a century ago. Then it just got uprooted and destroyed in favour of highways I guess. (edited by Arwon on 08-18-04 12:09 AM) |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42 Posts: 233/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| The way I see it, Hummer H2's - the vehicles sold to civilians by GM - are pointless wastes of money. They cost $50K, get abysmal gas mileage, lack much of the actual ruggedness of the military-grade Humvee that they resemble, and are physically larger than other SUV's of similar capacity. (That makes it annoying for other drivers to see around the vehicle, but it's also a disadvantage for its owner because it makes it tougher to maneuver it and park it.) For the same amount of money or less, you can get a more efficient SUV with as much room in the interior. If H2's hadn't become some sort of status symbol, I doubt they'd be so popular. Personally, I have no desire for a gas-guzzling car. I drive a 1996 Chevy Cavalier sedan that, on average, needs a fill-up every two weeks or so. I do have to commute to work via car (Rando gets to bike because he works less than a mile from our house - lucky oaf), but at least it's a relatively short (15-minute) trip that's mostly over highway, which really helps. When the Cavster croaks, we'll probably get a hybrid or some other efficient small car. Blades suggested an '80s-era VW that can run off biodiesel, which you can make dirt cheap using waste vegetable oil from restaurants. We do live just a few blocks from a Burger King...  Oh, and I'd also go batshit if I lived in one of those places where you need a car if you want to go anywhere. That's one reason we were so happy to be able to buy a house in downtown State College. We're a walk or a bike ride away from stores, restaurants, and the Penn State campus, and we even live on a pretty tree-lined street.  |
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Davideo7 Koopa Level: 18  Posts: 39/112 EXP: 28817 For next: 1080 Since: 03-21-04 Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 17 days |
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 Looks like both men are playing their role of getting people to vote for them  (edited by Davideo7 on 08-18-04 03:12 AM) (edited by Davideo7 on 08-18-04 03:14 AM) |
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Raistlin the Red Robed Paragoomba Level: 15 Posts: 18/76 EXP: 14064 For next: 2320 Since: 08-08-04 From: Fort Hood, Texas Since last post: 362 days Last activity: 318 days |
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| Apple- Do you know who is cutting off the heads of random people they pick up off the streets? Al Qaeda. They are even bragging about it. I don't watch the same thing you watch; public TV, CNN, etc. In fact, my TV doesn't even pick up any channels, so I RARELY watch TV. What I see are reports; not only reports, but veterans who share their tales (granted, some are probably stretched a bit). Am I blinded by media propanganda? No, not at all. Then again, you might fall back on Military propanganda to keep us being good whipping boys. Not only do I hear the good that we do, I also hear about the bad. I know some stories of soldiers who killed innocent civilians, and other nasty things that the media isn't going to tell you about. I'm not accusing, but it almost seems you are trying to justify the terrorism. Almost. I'll recall that in the 80's, we armed Afganistan against the Soviet Union, and we also equiped Iraq when they were in danger of being invaded. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 1784/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Raistlin the Red Robed Trust me, I know how you feel. |
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Shadic Cukeman Level: 27  Posts: 30/304 EXP: 111073 For next: 5086 Since: 08-20-04 From: Somewhere, Over the Rainbow! Since last post: 9 days Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I cannot vote yet, but I am choosing Kerry. Why? He IS the lesser of two evils, and I would HATE to see Bush is office again. |
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Some Random Guy Chicken Level: 5  Posts: 6/8 EXP: 470 For next: 59 Since: 08-27-04 From: Cleveland, OH Since last post: 432 days Last activity: 339 days |
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| Nader. j/k, Kerry, even though I can't vote yet  |
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Banedon Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 55 Posts: 476/1408 EXP: 1291380 For next: 22809 Since: 03-15-04 From: Michigan Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 90 days |
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| I won't be able to vote until next year...although if I could vote, I'd vote for Kerry because: - I tend to agree more with Democrats than Republicans. - I believe that Bush is a certifiable moron. |
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MorbidMolly Octoballoon Level: 21  Posts: 5/171 EXP: 46523 For next: 3420 Since: 08-26-04 From: my house, a state, USA Since last post: 70 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| If I was old enough to vote I'd go with Bush. From what I've seen He's run this country very well. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 1174/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by MorbidMolly Ladies and gentlemen, her use of the word He implies that Bush has not only shattered the concept of the seperation of Church and State. But he has also removed that barrier between him and God. |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 591/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by ZiffskiOriginally posted by MorbidMolly Hunh. Methinks she's been hitting the fundie-neocon Kool-Aid a bit too hard, Ziff? After all, the lunatic fringe of that group isn't just satisfied to deify Reagan... EDIT: Upon further review, she claims to only be 13. So I'm guessing she hasn't really had to deal with the realities of life. What a shitty economy does. The erosion of civil liberties. A President pissing away whatever goodwill you had after a tragedy to go flex nuts and maybe even start another Crusade. Him launching a war his own FATHER said was unwinnable back when he was fighting that very country. Completely blowing the search for the man responsible for the attack on us, who tends to stick out (he's frickin' 6'6" and needs DIALYSIS). Playing politics with domestic security, handing out aid and resources based on who voted for you, not where's likely to get ATTACKED. So yeah, you've got some larnin' to do, Molly. Just a matter of not having experienced enough in the world. Not cursing your or anything... it's just that it's the rare 13-year-old who has a good grasp on politics and such. (edited by drjayphd on 08-29-04 01:40 AM) |
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Raistlin the Red Robed Paragoomba Level: 15 Posts: 19/76 EXP: 14064 For next: 2320 Since: 08-08-04 From: Fort Hood, Texas Since last post: 362 days Last activity: 318 days |
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| Dr jay PHD- If he was so easy to find we would have found him, trust me. Those terrorists leaders have no shame. They hide in little man holes and caves that no one would even think to look in. |
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