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Who do you want to win the up coming Election?| George W Bush |
26.7%, 28 votes | John Kerry |
53.3%, 56 votes | Other |
20.0%, 21 votes | Multi-voting is disabled.
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Bella Ludwig Von Koopa You're Gonna Love Me Level: 76  Posts: 919/2962 EXP: 3891483 For next: 114577 Since: 03-29-04 From: Groovy Way Since last post: 8 min. Last activity: 6 min. |
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| I don't like Bush. He made things worse in Iraq. Kerry seems to suck. At first I was like eh, maybe Kerry but just to get Bush out of there. So I choose other  . |
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dan Snap Dragon Level: 43  Posts: 135/782 EXP: 534516 For next: 30530 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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I don't see how any rational person can vote for a person who comes off with classic blunders like this on a regular basis.  |
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KATW King Yoshi "If you stare at something long enough, it can be funny." Level: 86  Posts: 1633/3959 EXP: 6087979 For next: 54128 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 7 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Im still trying to decide... Its more of a 'lesser of two evils' thing to me.  |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 570/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Just out of curiosity, Anya, why Bush? Not gonna try and talk you out of it or anything, just curious. I'm going Kerry here. He does actually seem to have some decent plans (about time someone tries to wean us off of oil from the Middle East) but really, it's more of a matter of him not taking anything off the table. I can live with myself going with the lesser of two evils this year. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 3521/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Considering the last poll showed that over 70% of Canadians dislike President Bush, and I would be one of those 70%... Nothing personal to all the Bush supporters, but I think Kerry could do a good job. Plus we like him.  |
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Aioria Boss Bass  Yes I will!! ;D  Middle Ages Warrior Level: 58 Posts: 731/1567 EXP: 1516086 For next: 61460 Since: 03-15-04 From: near the pneumon ultramicroscop icsilicovolcanoconiosis land Since last post: 19 days Last activity: 19 days |
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| I don't know kerry, but Bush's imperialist and selfish politics has to come to an end. | |||
DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 283/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Comrade Leejnikov Thank you! I'm voting for Kerry not because I like him but because he can't be any worse than Bush at this point and time. I don't like either but like Legion said, voting for someone else is wasting a vote. Know why Al Gore didn't win the 2000 election? Too many Nader votes. Granted if Nader gets so many votes, he can get more funding for the next campaign, but this country is in such a shit hole at the moment that I believe our priority should be, like said before, a radical change. Bush keeps feeding us bullshit like the economy is up, the world is safer, and all this junk. We've got more government than ever before and our friggin budget is awful. What happened to all that money we had in the treasury when Clinton left office?! We could have done great things with that, but what happens to it? We send it back to the people who need it the least. No offense to those that got the tax rebate, but it was totally unnecessary. And this basic lockdown on America, giving the FBI the legality to tap anybody's phones with the Patriot Act and the high ass security found on air liners and anywhere else. The way I see it: It wasn't that we didn't have enough security, I think the old forms were just fine, they just weren't properly executed by the right people. Rather than increase it, we should have reformed it and find out WHY it didn't work. A quote comes to mind on this: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin. And that rings so true today. Bush has got to go... (edited by DahrkDaiz on 08-15-04 05:50 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 1752/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Our dependency on oil wouldn't be as bad if we weren't so wasteful with what we have. We could learn a good lesson from Europe when it comes to public transportation. But us being the individualists that we are, I don't really see that happening. (For a lot of people, their car is an extension of themselves and they refuse to give it up.) If just half the people who drive used public transportation for one day, imagine how much we'd save. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 736/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Amen to that. I'd love to travel on 186mph TGV lines (we already have one) if the government got up of it's fat ass and realised that it would be profitable. Oh wait, they DO already know that. They're politations, and they love their cars. (edited by Kasumi-Astra on 08-15-04 07:56 PM) |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 316/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Greens are really a one-issute party (IE they don't have much of a viewpoint on anything but the environment)... I'd say they lean more towards the left than the right. And Nader is independant now, free to be as liberal as he wants (Which is pretty damn liberal) And Anya, you're really not adding much by just saying Bush. Yes, it's your right to say Bush, but if you have no reasons, it's my right to say you haven't thought this through. I won't try to change your mind or anything, I just want to hear it. |
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Subliminal Cukeman Permaban - Flaming staff, homophobia Level: 28  Posts: 224/322 EXP: 126544 For next: 4794 Since: 07-10-04 From: My House (Imagine That) Since last post: 407 days Last activity: 298 days |
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| I vote PIE! Actually I voted for Kerry since Bush hasen't been to bright... |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 227/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Ideally, I'd be voting for Dennis Kucinich, who is basically a libertarian-leaning Democrat, but he didn't win the primary. (At least I did vote for him in said primary.) I am voting for Kerry because I want to see Georgie Porgie's arse booted out of office. I wouldn't say that he's been OMG teh worst president evar!!111!!, but some of his actions have royally chapped my ass. Legion already mentioned his ineffectiveness against Osama bin Laden and terrorism in general and how he alienated our allies. Of course, that bothered me, but Bush also pushed some of my personal hot buttons in a very bad way. His draconian, anti-abortion global gag rule has decimated overseas family planning clinics, sacrificing the health of millions. His so-called free speech zones, which quarantine anti-Bush protestors out of the way of the president and the media covering his appearance, and his faith-based funding initiative, which allowed government money to be funneled to religious organizations (some of which proselytize and have fired employees based on tenets of the religion that they espouse), show that he has minimal comprehension of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, which prohibits the government from restricting political speech or promoting religion. Oh, and let's not forget the proposed amendment to said Constitution restricting the legal definition of marriage to the union of a man and a woman. Granted, Kerry is also in the "no marriage for gays, but civil unions are all right, umkay?" camp, which I don't appreciate very much*, but at least he wants to leave the issue up to the states instead of writing it into a document most fundamental to the principles on which our government operates. * I want to see ALL couples get the SAME benefits from a legally recognized partnership. I don't care if the government calls it a marriage or a civil union or a flibbertygibbet as long as it's the same for everyone. The problem with marriages for some and civil unions for others is that marriages will be seen as superior and more valid. Even if this distinction is subtle and not overt, it will lead to discrimination against people who have unions and not marriages. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 1763/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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I dont know, I'm kinda liking this guy here: |
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Jarukoth  IRRATIONAL EXUBERENCE!!1! Level: 79  Posts: 1494/3194 EXP: 4402011 For next: 177456 Since: 03-17-04 From: New Jersey, U.S.A. Shoes: Yes. Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by Comrade Leejnikov Judging by the Acmlm poll here, I was thinking that maybe the other votes could be pumped into a third party, and possibly giving him the presidency. This just proved my theory correct. Hell, I'd vote for him! "Vote Smart...Vote S-Mart.....YOU GOT THAT!?!?!?"  |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 351/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| This isn't new information but hopefully, it'll clear some stuff up for people here... This is about Iraq. Nothing more. We went to War with Iraq in 1990-1991. The second Persian Gulf War (The first was between Iran and Iraq in the 80's) when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Iraq still believed Kuwait was a part of thier country (A belief that goes back to at least the 60's). The UN goes in, we kick Saddam's ass and we sign a cease-fire with Iraq. Some of the cease-fire agreements were that Iraq wasn't allowed to have WMD's, let the UN pretty much send Inspecters in there to search for those, as well as forced Iraq to accept the imposition of no-fly zones. From what I gathered, the nofly zones were over parts of Iraq that had Shiite and Kurdish populations. Saddam has been giving UN inspecters the shaft since '91. Denying them access to certain plants, making them wait for long periods of time as empty trucks rolled in to plants but left with tarps over the backs (which happened in 2002), in 1998 Saddam barred UN inspectors from the country so British and American forces bombed Iraq. Since that happened, UN inspecters haven't been allowed back in to Iraq. Throughout the late 1990's, America and British forces continue to launch more than a thousand missles at Iraqi targets and of course, the Iraqi continue to lanch missles back. Since the war "ended" in 1991, America and England has been spending roughly 1 Billion dollars a year because of Iraqi conflicts. Roughly 20,000 American miltary personal were stationed in/around the Persian Gulf. Needless to say... This bullshit with Saddam isn't nothing new. Now lets throw in Bush. Bush becomes President, 9/11 happens. Bush desides that hes going to invade Iraq and remove Saddam. The majority of the UN doesn't agree with Bush but England does because they also have been spending billions of dollars because of Saddam refusing to submit to the Gulf War cease fire agreement. The UN sends in inspectors. Saddam refuses to let them in right away, and when they are let in they are refused access to certian areas. They are also forced to wait outside while empty trucks roll in to factories and leave full. I'm sorry, Maybe I'm a fucking idiot but doesn't that seem the least bit odd to you? The UN inspecters report that we didn't find any WMD's... Bush still declears war on Iraq anyways without Congress agreement. You know the rest. Do I believe we should of went to war with Iraq? Yes, I do. Ok... Since the number one reason why Bush sucks is described for you all.... What else do you hate about Bush? Yeah, hes a moron. But you know who else was called stupid but everyone? Lincoln. His own cabnit said he was as dumb as a mule. I'm not comparing Lincoln to bush because I know damn well that Bush needs to stand on a chair just to kiss Abe's ass. Either way. This novemeber, Its Bush. |
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Apple Kodondo Level: 38 Posts: 354/594 EXP: 350163 For next: 20284 Since: 03-27-04 From: Washington. Since last post: 264 days Last activity: 152 days |
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| There comes a point where you have to ask yourself. Whats more important Billions of dollars and a handful of lives each year or a thousand soliders. Yeah, being a citizin, I would pick the soliders, but in a country with nearly 300,000,000 people, If I was the leader I would take the billions of dollars. Its the way it works. The UN wouldn't of gone to war though. They weren't the ones having problems with Iraq. It was England and America. Which is why we are the ones with the majority of the soliders stationed there, we were the ones who wanted it. France and Germany didn't want the war. Saddam being in power meant nothing to them. They weren't spending money and losing people because of him. Vast majority of the UN wasn't. Why send your people to their deaths when its not benefitful? We had a reason for war, they had no reason to. Yeah, it defeats the purpose of having a UN. I agree it would of been WAY better if we had their full support but sometimes you have to leave the party behind to get the job done. I wish we had the support but either way, I'm glad we did what we did. Oh! Speaking of which. I read from an American Solider whos stationed in Iraq that they battled a small (about 20) group of Al Quidea members from Iran. Interesting. We wont find Osama. Hes not loyal to a country, he moves around alot. Infact, he could of died when we were bombing Afiganstan. We wont know until he shows up on video again. Its kind of sad really... North and South Korea... All their talk about reforming in to a unified nation again, them singing a treaty with one another saying they wont attack each other. Them trying to join the UN, them making meetings with America to better there relationship with us. Yeah. Such an evil country. |
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witeasprinwow Lakitu Level: 37 Posts: 320/555 EXP: 319587 For next: 18666 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 55 days Last activity: 55 days |
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| There was this thing called World War I, and we totally kicked Germany's ass, and after the war everyone was really angry at Germany so they made them pay like a million billion dollars in fines and crap and made them rebuild all the houses and stuff, and we got rid of thier king-type guy and gave them a democracy. And then bad things started happening in Germany and everyone got really poor because they were spending so much money on rebuilding Britian that they couldn't rebuild Germany, and the new super shitty government that was more or less controlled by the allies tried to help but nobody listed to thier appeals and they didn't have enough power do to anything on thier own. And then the Germans realised that it was our fault that they were all poor and dying and crap because if we hadn't totally ruined thier country and government and forced them to pay ridiculous amounts of fines, literally fined to the point where the German Marks became worth less than the paper they were printed on, then they could have had time to try and rebuild thier own economy. And then this guy named Hitler came along, who was a manipulative bastard, and he was all like "Hey dudes, I'm pissed at the allied powers, yeah those assholes had a right to come in here and knock out our king-dude because he was trying to ruin France's shit and stuff, but those assholes too it too far. Our government is like totally fucked over dudes. Lets like rebuild and fuck the Treaty of Versai and take over some countries man, we'll show those assholes." And everyone listened to him, mainly because what he promised was so appealing to a nation in shambles that nobody stopped to think about the consequences of the plan he laid out until it was far too late. The point of the story is that you can't simply go into a nation, knock out the bad guy, give them a new government, and expect everything to be a-o-kay ten years down the road. People get pissed and they stay pissed, and we've although we don't have to worry about Saddam hating us, we've sown the seeds for a lot of new hate from Iraqis. There are much better methods to creating peace in the Middle East (mostly trying to influence the youth not to take up the fight thier father used to use - It's shown some success, teenagers in Iraq have been seen adopting bits and pieces of American culture and refusing to recite the Death to America pledge). There's also the question of "Why Iraq Now?" while it's a documented fact that Saddam hates Osama almost as much as we do, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. Damn, this turned into one LONG ramble. Try to remember this is all IMO (Except for the history lesson which is grounded in fact but modernized by me to a hopefully humorous effect) (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-16-04 10:19 AM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-16-04 10:20 AM) |
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SpiritEssence Red Goomba Level: 12  Posts: 8/45 EXP: 6373 For next: 1548 Since: 08-13-04 From: The heavenly land WHERE YOU FINALLY SHUT UP!!!! Since last post: 303 days Last activity: 303 days |
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| I think both of those creeps should get a life. I mean, I saw a picture of Kerry holding a football and a picture of bush (As Frightfully scary as it was to see) in his underwear tapdancing... I think somebody edited that picture... I hope... |
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Stifu Level: 28  Posts: 115/304 EXP: 129458 For next: 1880 Since: 03-16-04 From: Your mom's bed Since last post: 18 hours Last activity: 11 hours |
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| That many people voted for Bush... That's almost depressing. |
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Yoshi Dude XKEEPER STOLE MY CAR KEYS Level: 79  Posts: 1308/3271 EXP: 4572680 For next: 6787 Since: 03-15-04 From: give me a number folks. Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by SpiritEssence quoted for posterity. I'd like to say someone else, but it's going to be Bush or Kerry. I'm going with Kerry. I have heard things that he's going to fuck up things, and I don't know what to believe anymore, but the way I see it he might pull a miracle out of his ass. Who knows. Bush hasn't done anything, let's throw someone new in there. |
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