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blackhole89

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Posted on 06-29-04 01:00 AM Link | Quote
Well, here's a new screenshot:


Although CallLoop and midtrack instrument changes are displayed now, you can easily see what mess came up with this so I'm currently thinking about making only a preview of the tracks in the main window and a separate track editor, which can display all 7 (or were it 8 ) N-SPC octaves at once and has enough room free for CallLoops and whatever trash there's out there else.

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Posted on 06-29-04 03:55 AM Link | Quote
ahhhhhhh been like...forgetting yeah, I can rip you the samples, but you'll need to apply your own envelope to get the desired effect used in game for some sounds (i'm refering to one of the basses and the open hi-hat...)
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Posted on 06-29-04 03:03 PM Link | Quote
Custom music whit no special music for Yoshi it is boring ...
Did somone find a way to activate the sfx song when Mario is riding on Yoshi whit custom music, other then the original MarioWorld music?
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Posted on 06-29-04 06:33 PM Link | Quote
3 questions for blackhole:

1. With your editor, will we be able to insert music from other game systems, like the zelda theme song from the n64 game, or the nes game?

2. Can we insert music with words, not only sfx? Like songs we hear on mtv? (I am awear that the size is an issue)

3. Won't people who put custom music in, have their hacks be like 6-8MB. All the ZSNES users can't play files that size. Im pretty sure Snes9x can, but some people don't like that emulator.
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Posted on 06-29-04 07:29 PM Link | Quote
I can answer those questions for you, as they do have kinda simple answers:

1. No. Not unless you have the sheet music/notation. Same goes with any non N-SPC SNES game.

2.Nope. Dont think so.

3.Not unless they increase the size for another reason. Spc editing wont change the size. (i think)
blackhole89

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Posted on 06-29-04 09:42 PM Link | Quote
(2) No. SPC is limited to 64k, and you won't be able to play music with words unless you add an instrument for any vowel and consonants and any of their different intonations. And 64k is definitively not enough space for that.

(3) No. Bouche has reserved enough space in his SMB3 music patch for the 64k you can reach.
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Posted on 06-30-04 04:42 AM Link | Quote
Orynider, go away. I won't flame you, but I will say this. Quit talking about things that you don't understand, and quit insulting people who know more than you. If you act that way in the real world, you will be shot.
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Posted on 06-30-04 04:50 AM Link | Quote
Nah... He won't get shot, he'll get a restraining order.
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Posted on 06-30-04 05:02 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kyouji Craw
Nah... He won't get shot, he'll get a restraining order.
Im leaning more towards kicked in an unpleasant spot.. than shot

I have to try this music editor... it looks... fun
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Posted on 06-30-04 05:05 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kirby all the way
Originally posted by Kyouji Craw
Nah... He won't get shot, he'll get a restraining order.
Im leaning more towards kicked in an unpleasant spot.. than shot

I have to try this music editor... it looks... fun


But if they do that, they could get sued, or arrested, and either way there'd be horrible paperwork, and they stand to lose money... A restraining order seems far more likely.
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Posted on 06-30-04 10:13 PM Link | Quote
If I didn't mess up my calculations, two new songs would take up one megabit of empty ROM space at most. Unless you plan on having a new song for every level, that seems reasonable.

As for lyrics in songs, I've seen it done on the SNES. Tales of Phantasia, if I remember right. It was done using some compression and a bunch of swapping new data into the SPC chip, if I remember correctly. Far more work than is worth it, I'd say. And lyrics wouldn't really fit all that well in most cases, would they?

Originally posted by Kyouji Craw
Originally posted by Kirby all the way
Originally posted by Kyouji Craw
Nah... He won't get shot, he'll get a restraining order.
Im leaning more towards kicked in an unpleasant spot.. than shot

I have to try this music editor... it looks... fun


But if they do that, they could get sued, or arrested, and either way there'd be horrible paperwork, and they stand to lose money... A restraining order seems far more likely.
I don't see a good blow upside the head as being unlikely. Most people don't stay calm enough to go to the restraining order thing. And I don't think being an ignorant, annoying lamer is a valid reason for a restraining order .

Anyway...
Hopefully people will actually compose their own music with this, though ripping probably will be more common, given reactions to this thread so far and the useage of ExGFX. It looks fun though, I can't wait to try it (even if I end up making a cacophony rather than a symphony). Keep up the good work.


(edited by Squash Monster on 06-30-04 01:13 PM)
(edited by Squash Monster on 06-30-04 01:14 PM)
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Posted on 06-30-04 10:25 PM Link | Quote
I'll definitely be trying my hand at composing my own music, though we can't be sure how well it will turn out...
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Posted on 06-30-04 10:42 PM Link | Quote
Me, I'll probably do what I do for graphics. Browse several games, take a piece only used in one area and not used much, and expand it in to an entire tileset... Or in this case, song.
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Posted on 06-30-04 10:48 PM Link | Quote
I plan to write my own music, but I will also rip a little.
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Posted on 06-30-04 10:59 PM Link | Quote
Frankly, composing is much tougher than drawing. I can't imagine all but a few people here making their own music,
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Posted on 06-30-04 11:06 PM Link | Quote
I write music already, so I probably won't rip ExMUSIC. I will write my own.
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Posted on 06-30-04 11:11 PM Link | Quote
But Kario, he already said you can't expand the space for it, so it's not ExMUSIC. And even if you could, it'd be ExSPC, not ExMUSIC.
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Posted on 06-30-04 11:18 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, I know, I was just saying that. I am making my own music.
Alastor the Stylish
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Posted on 06-30-04 11:24 PM Link | Quote
The question is "why," not "whether."
The Arkichef

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Posted on 06-30-04 11:36 PM Link | Quote
The question is why is Kario being questioned when what he is saying makes sense?

Hey, on this editor, can u add your own samples to it? Or will you have to make do with the instruments for the game your are editing? Eg. if you inserted Zelda music into SMW, would it be played using SMW instruments? Just a thought...
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