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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 784/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| I'm curious as to which browsers people are using, why they are using them, and any complaints and suggestions they have against/at other Web Browsers. Really what I'm also hoping to accomplish in this thread is a vetting of sorts about Mozilla Firefox. I've seen a few people injecting "firefox sucks" into comments every now and then without any real substance behind those claims and I can't tell if it's just an attempt to go against the so-called counter-culture grain, or some teenage "conformity is teh ghay!" mentality, or on the other hand a legitimate complaint. Honestly, I use many browsers constantly. As a website developer and as part of my subsequent sick obsession with web browsers in general, I use the following web browsers almost daily : Mozilla 1.7.10, Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7, Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Beta 2, AOL Browser 1.1.4234.1042 (based on MSIE v. 7,0,5112,0), Opera 8.5, Netscape 8.0, and the Internet Explorer 7 Beta. What is now Mozilla Firefox is my main browser and has been since right around when it changed to Firebird. Although I have experimented with the Flock developer preview, I haven't had a real chance to use most of it's feautures so I currently do not know much about it. Although it purportedly loads faster than Firefox, a somewhat dubious claim in my own opinion.. but who knows.. If I was to switch to an alternative default browser besides Mozilla Firefox I would most probably go with Opera. It's always been an extremely slick browser and now that it's free of ads.. major orgy action. But I'll not switch from Firefox in the forseeable future in all likliehood. It's not just the sweet ass-browser itself but the underlying Mozilla platform that is a huge impetus for it's use. I don't know if I've found something that is more fun to work with from a programming standpoint  |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 8100/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Firefox. Good: Extensions pwn. Bad: Buggy extensions don't pwn (and it's quite a pain to tell which is causing problems  ). |
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Elric Chasupa  Currently Playing: You Like A Lute. Level: 40 Posts: 676/687 EXP: 440016 For next: 1293 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melniboné Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I use Maxthon 1.5.0 (Build 95). Netscape is just the Mozilla browser with the NS logo on it, and tons of useless bloat. It's not even worth acknowledging. No problems with Mozilla. If, for some reason, I were to leave Maxthon behind, I'd go with Mozilla. I'm sick and TIRED of people and websites all over telling me, "Get FireFox". It's not their place to tell me what browser to use, and it helps to ensure that I will NOT, in fact, "Get FireFox". I've tried FireFox, and I don't like it. I'm used to Maxthon, and it works fine for me. Things I can do in Maxthon, I can't do in FireFox (it's been awhile, so I can't think of anything off the top of my head). I find Maxthon's built-in ad blocking to be superior to FireFox's. Opera is just plain yuck. It can't do half the things FIreFox can, and frankly, I just don't like it. Waaaaaaay back in time, around 1996 or so, my only internet access was via dialing up and connecting to my local Free Net. As such, I got to use LYNX to surf the web. Not a bad browser, but I'd miss my images. xD Although it's probably not in development anymore, Arachne was a wonderful graphical internet browser for DOS. The 386 I had died, and was replaced with a 286, and MS-DOS 6.0. Somehow, while using LYNX, I stumbled upon Arachne. THOSE were the days. So, basically, my preferences are Maxthon, Mozilla, FireFox. Opera and Netscape aren't choices. Bonus! Direct from my Bio: IM Converstaion between myself and the president of Qrush Technologies, on Friday, Sept. 30, 2005: [01:40:37] Elric: Poor guy. Using IE. [01:40:45] Elric: Told him to get a real browser: Maxthon. [01:41:15] Ganon: i use ie and refuse to use anything else [01:41:32] Ganon: its the most stable one with the best (not fastest) render engine [01:41:53] Ganon: if you have had the experience i have programming for different browsers, you would understand why i think most are absolute shit [01:42:04] Ganon: comparing other stuff to ie is like comparing linux to windows He has never let me down, or lead me astray, in the years I've known him. |
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DarkSlaya POOOOOOOOOOOORN! Level: 88 Posts: 4214/4249 EXP: 6409254 For next: 241410 Since: 05-16-04 From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Firefox. Funny thing is that I didn't switch to it because of people saying "IE sucks lol". At that time, I had Win98, which was getting as fucked up as it could be. And because of the MS obsession with having their broswer built-in the OS, IE was also fucked up (anything that opened in a new window would not load). I remembered coming across mozilla.org, and decided to give it a chance. I liked it, and still use it now. And back when I used 56k, it was infact loading faster (cache + rendering engine) (Now I just don't see the difference, I have a 5mbps connection). I just wish they would remove the MARQUEE tags and stuff. If for some reason Firefox would mess up, I also have Opera installed. |
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FreeDOS Lava Lotus Wannabe-Mod :< Level: 59 Posts: 1651/1657 EXP: 1648646 For next: 24482 Since: 03-15-04 From: Seattle Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I use both Firefox and Konqueror regularly. (edited by FreeDOS on 10-29-05 06:10 PM) |
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Darth Coby Vire Dacht je nou echt dat het over was? Dacht je nou echt dat ik gebroken was? Nee toch? Nou kijk eens goed op uit je ogen gast. zonder clic heb je geen kloten tjap... bitch Level: 55  Posts: 1369/1371 EXP: 1240774 For next: 73415 Since: 03-15-04 From: Belgium Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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FireFox. Why you ask? Well, when I was still using IE I had to scan my computer weekly to find spyware and such, but nowadays with FireFox I never have any spyware anymore!  + it's fast, I like the extension idea and it's skinable.  |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 786/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by Skelric Netscape is based on Mozilla Firefox, not Mozilla, just to be a nitpicking jerk, but there actually is a different  . The only redeemable feature I can see is development practices in that it has the ability to let the user switch rendering engines between Gecko and Trident. Beyond that, for all practical purposes you are entirely right. Hell, the Netscape team doesn't even exist anymore, the Netscape 8.0 was outsourced to some canadian company by AOL, iirc.On the note of the conversation: I'm sure Ganon runs a great business and is a nice person, but he simply does not know what he is talking about. I'll leave the Linux v. Windows statement alone, because it is 1) an obvious can of worms  2) dependant on what he's talking about: he doesn't specifcy if it's Windows vs. Linux servers or (what he probably meant) Linux on the desktop environment. But what I won't leave alone is his absurd claim that the IE rendering engine (Trident) is better and that his claim is based on his experience in programming on different browsers.Facts: 1) Trident, the IE Windows rendering engine, obviously only works on a single platform. Windows running machines. It's easy to be cross-platform when there is only one platform in consideration 2) (Hold on before you start bitching at me in your absurd anti-standards way and make sure you read carefully to understand what I'm saying) Many of the standards that Microsoft has actively supported (the ones the team looked at and said, "yes, this is a good idea, we're going to have our browser support this") were implimented wrong. And this is nto to say that the MSIE team said "we don't like the way this specification says we should do things, we have our own way", it is to say that the software itself is flawed and not working the way they originally intended. Bugs. Unintentional mistakes. It's just shoddy coding. 3) (This is an entirely separate argument than the above, so please don't confuse them) Standards. Which, for the life of me, I don't understand why some people oppose. I am not saying in any way that all browsers should adopt every single specification put out by any body (not just the W3C, there are others) but the obvious ones? Yah sure, it would really be great, as these aren't just arbitrarily picked things. It's not like someone says "i just had a thought, this should go in our new specificaiton for HTML", it's things that evolve over time that developers themselves and users themselves are wanting. Even then, implimenting standards doesn't just mean including certain tags, what it really means is implimenting certain features in a uniform manner. And this is what gets me when people say "standards are teh sux!1". The things that MSIE renders differently from standards and specifications don't matter to the end user. Why would an end user care if the padding in a box model had a width of 2 pixels instead of just 1? Why would the end user matter if a certain combination of nested tags and attributes effects some other element in a certain fashion?? They fucking don't. But it makes the lives and work of developers a living hell. 4) Security. In basically all ways IE sucks with security. Whether it be it's incredibly bug ridden css, javascript, and other markup rendering or it's just sometime senseless ActiveX objects. In summation: I couldn't disagree more fundamentally with his statement. Unless it was made circa '96-97 when Netscape was the radical outsider and IE was the stable, more standards compliant platform. (Basically Netscape was the IE of today and IE was the Firefox. Only after the browser wars ended the MSIE team just stopped working on it and gave a big fuck you to developers who were expecting them to continue maintaing the software). Hell, even Microsoft's Mac version of IE has a better rendering engine. This isn't just me, this isn't just some anti-windows script kiddie who bashes Bill Gates at every chance and screams "ofmg tEh Lnuxxisss!11 r betar!neoneone". This is the developing community at large. I have developed commercial websites. I have had extreme frustrations gettings things that should work to work as well as (which might be a separate complaint and discussion about standards) it's lack of support for features that have been around for years and years. I'm sick of having to write code to treat IE in some special way, which I have never had to do for non-Gecko based, non-Mozila-based browsers. If you spend any amount of time currently developing cross-browser/cross-platform websites in -any capacity-, whether it be client-side code (browser's implimentation of EMCAScript) or plain old HTML, or CSS support.. virtually -anything-, it is clear that basically anything beats the pants off the native windows IE rendering engine (Trident). |
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Chronosphere-X Flurry Level: 27 Posts: 257/268 EXP: 106782 For next: 9377 Since: 03-20-04 Since last post: 10 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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| Firefox, opera & i.e I use them all as somethings only work with certain browers. I use opera for speed, its faster imo. If something doesn't work i then use firefox. IE is a last resort, its ugly and i perfer operas interface |
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Surlent サーレント Level: 49  Posts: 1077/1077 EXP: 863920 For next: 19963 Since: 03-15-04 From: Tower of Lezard Valeth Since last post: 16 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Gecko/20050919 Firefox/1.0.7 For other pages I have the "View this page in Internet Explorer" extension in Firefox' context menu if the fox cannot display it properly |
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Elric Chasupa Currently Playing: You Like A Lute. Level: 40 Posts: 686/687 EXP: 440016 For next: 1293 Since: 03-15-04 From: Melniboné Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by GavinUnless NS recently changed things, then that's bullshit. FireFox wasn't even out when I tried Mozilla, and found that it looked exactly like NS, but with less bloat. Originally posted by GavinTake it up with him. I'll stick to what he tells me. As I said, he's not been wrong yet. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2720/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Elric -- AFAIK, he's right -- I'm pretty sure the most recent version of Netscape is based on Firefox, not the full Mozilla. There was a big write-up on it and everything on places like Slashdot if I recall correctly. I use Firefox. When I finally got a decent computer back in the late 90's and got to use the Internet again, I hated IE. Having used the internet a lot in the early 90's, I wanted my Netscape back. Unfortunately, Netscape at the time sucked, and so began my search for a decent browser. I found Opera and was a really big Opera fangirl for quite some time. But then Opera 6 was released and I didn't like it as much, so I went hunting again and found Mozilla. Mozilla wasn't my cup of tea, but after hunting through their site I chanced upon Firebird, which had very recently changed from being called Phoenix. Loved it. I've stuck with Firebird / Firefox since |
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Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 830/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Firefox, mainly for the reason that it is more secure than the browser that came with my OS. Good: When holes are found, they are promptly fixed. Good: Extentions, as HH said. They can add to the security (or break it, depending on who makes what) Good: Open source, so anybody that wants to fix/add whatever they want can do so. Bad: Parsing ability still lacking, so some pages with complicated HTML don't load/display properly. Then again, all browsers are like that. Bad: It's going against Microsoft. Bad: knuck says using it is communism. |
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