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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3621/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| All right, so... its a new school year, and that means the school event Debate is starting back up. Now, my partner and I already wrote a case, he really wrote it  . It went something like this...My colleague and I stand here. Why? Might you ask? Because there is something being done that is wrong and unjust and they only way that something will be done about it is if someone stands up and says something about it. What is being done that is unjust you might ask? The fact that people are being detained without charge and searched without probable cause. Why you might ask? Well they are being detained solely on their Ethnicity and their racial background. And that is why my colleague and I stand. Resolved: That the United States Federal Government should substantially decrease its authority either to detain without charge or to search without probable cause. People have been detained, searched, and judged solely on their ethnic background and race. www.amnestyusa.org/racial_profiling/report/ Racial profiling has got up since 9/11/01 and millions of people are affected by it in their everyday lives. Approximately thirty-two million Americans, a number equivalent to the population of Canada, report they have already been victims of racial profiling. Racial profiling occurs in rural and suburban areas in airports, fastfood restaurants, and daily places of business. While driving In Texas, a Muslim student of South Asian ancestry is pulled over and asked by police if he is carrying any dead bodies or bombs. While walking: In Seattle,Washington, a group of Asian-American youths are detained on a street corner by police for 45 minutes on an allegation of jaywalking. While a sergeant ultimately ordered the officer in question to release them, the young people say they saw whites repeatedly crossing the same street in an illegal manner without being stopped. While travelling through airports: An eight-year-old Muslim boy from Tulsa, Oklahoma was reportedly separated from his family while airport security officials searched him and dismantled his Boy Scout pinewood derby car. He is now routinely stopped and searched at airports. While shopping: In New York City, an African- American woman shopping for holiday presents was stopped by security at a major department store. She showed the guards her receipts. Nonetheless, she was taken to a holding cell in the building where every other suspect she saw was a person of color. She was subjected to threats and a body search. She was allowed to leave without being charged three hours later, but was not allowed to take her purchases. While at home: A Latino family in a Chicago suburb was reportedly awoken at 4:50 a.m. on the day after Father�s Day by nine building inspectors and police officers who prohibited the family from getting dressed or moving about. The authorities reportedly proceeded to search the entire house to find evidence of overcrowding. Enforcement of the zoning ordinance, which was used to justify the search, was reportedly targeted at the rapidly-growing Latino population.Despite that this keeps happening nothing has yet been done to stop the ratial profiling of people of foreign decent. Clearly stated in the FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - ' The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized Basically summing up the Fourth Amendment, you can�t be searched or detained without a warrant that has reasonable cause to be issued. Being of Arab decent or Muslim ethnicity is not a probable cause. Being African-American or Asian isn�t probable cause. Therefore there are parts in the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act that need to be removed because they go directly against our United States Constitution. And now for our long awaited plan which if adopted will help to solve the ethnic and racial profiling of the United States and bring some of the civil liberties back to the people of the United States. Part 1- All detainees that are being held on accounts of �terrorism� must have a trial were probable cause must be found within no later then a month after being detained. And if no probable cause is found that they are to be set free. Part2- There can be no searches of private property, including houses and other privately owned items, without a Judge appointed warrant were probable cause was found for the person to be searched. Part2B- Citizens of the United States cannot be detained without evidence being found to prove that they are guilty of the crime. Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. This sums up our plan and now for the long awaited solvency. Solvency-This plan is definitely solvable for the fact that the money that will be saved from not detaining as many people for so long can go for the court cost of the trials that as United States citizens they are obliged to have. Here is our evidence showing that it would be more effective to adopt our plan. Here is the total of an average court cost:Total-98.00 as seen on sight: http://co4.shelbycountytn.gov/court_clerks/gen_sessions_court/civil/costs.htm And here is the cost of an Average inmate per year held: $75.01 per inmate per day, which is $27,378.65 dollars per year. As seen on sight: http://www.doc.state.nc.us/DOP/cost/cost2001.htm So as you can see we, as the United States taxpayers, would pay much less if our plan were adopted. As for the civil liberties part, the people of the United States will finally be able to choose once more there religion and not worry about being a suspected �terrorist.� And at this we close our argument for now. All right, that is basically our case, resolution is in there, but if you only skimmed it is. Resolved: That the United States Federal Goverment should substantially decrease its authority either to detain without charge or to search without probable cause. Now, our funding, is REALLY messed up, like fucked up that we didn't include lawyers fucked up. Ignore that for now. Now, my partner and I need a little help to make a better, hopefully perfect case. All opinions are wanted. |
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 54/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3622/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| National Forensics League? Yeah. | |||
Legault Bot Level: 24  Posts: 265/269 EXP: 78075 For next: 50 Since: 12-24-04 From: Schools out...YES!!! Summer vacation. Since last post: 13 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| What we need is a little help with our funding and now our solvency because they are allready putting a plan to action against it. Basically what we need is funding and a little fine tuning of the case. Note- We have allready won one round with ths case. |
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 56/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Where is your neg. thingy? (edited by SamuraiX on 09-29-05 10:55 PM) |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3623/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| There are no negative cases in debate. Affirmitive is when you're trying to change the current system, which is our case, Negative is trying to refute that case and prove that the current system is working, or that the case just simply won't work. | |||
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 68/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I meant your general plan to say that your opponent is wrong. Unless you don't have a plan and are going to make it up once you are there. | |||
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3624/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| About our case? That really depends on their arguments, but I usually just make it up depending on their argument. If they're affirmative, I have a huge box of evidence. |
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 71/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| A small correction, Muslims are part of the Islamic religion, they aren't a race. | |||
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3625/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| That's why I refered to them as an ethnic group. | |||
Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 491/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| You guys get days before hand to prepare your arguments? Wow, that's weird. We get half an hour or 15 minutes depending on the debate format... |
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Legault Bot Level: 24 Posts: 266/269 EXP: 78075 For next: 50 Since: 12-24-04 From: Schools out...YES!!! Summer vacation. Since last post: 13 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| No, actually we make a case and then study it a lot until we know it like the back of our hands. That way when we are presenting it as the 1st affirm construct we don't have to read all of it from a page. If neg; however, we get like no time at all to prepare a counter for the affirm plan. This thread is just asking advice on what needs to be changed within our plan. | |||
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 72/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| That is what I meant, you should prepare for the neg, as well. Since you already have a strong aff, you should have lots of time. Prepare some quetions at least. | |||
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 494/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Hmm, I see. The model is the main thing of importance in this format. | |||
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 76/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| What do you mean by funding? |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84 Posts: 3629/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| We didn't include getting the senate together, and the cost of just passing a piece of legislation. Thats a main problem with our funding. We have no clue how or where we could hypothetically get the 100ish million for all that though. |
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Legault Bot Level: 24 Posts: 267/269 EXP: 78075 For next: 50 Since: 12-24-04 From: Schools out...YES!!! Summer vacation. Since last post: 13 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| Funding solved. We are putting a 1% sales tax increase on all pop sales over a period of about4 years. Could anyone suggest any sites that would have evidence on Court costs, including; Lawyers, Prosecution, Judge, etc. please that would be of great apreciation. |
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