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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 1652/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| You say that as though prison should be entertaining. | |||
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Wurl 4.0 Level: 18  Posts: 98/244 EXP: 27558 For next: 2339 Since: 09-11-05 From: Illinois: Land of Eternal Desert Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 10 hours |
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Originally posted by Tamarin Calanis No, I was trying to say that being locked up, even with luxeries, is crappy. |
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 49/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Tamarin CalanisI don't think you are the only one. hmmm (edited by SamuraiX on 09-28-05 01:12 AM) |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 488/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| So why are people so bent on vengeance and torture and other such righteous "they're all evil and should SUFFER" nonsense? What difference does it make to you? Why the dehumanisation and bloodthirstiness? Why the desire to see people suffer? Whould our prisons all be like Turkish or Indonesian cells? This is why they don't let emotional mobs of people mete out justice... we have this really vicious vindictive streak in us that is really disturbing. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 5423/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Life in prisonment is a great punishment provided that it's not indeed a luxery like celebrities get. I'm all for torturing the fucked up people like child rapists and the like. I wish that there was someway to bring back crucifixion. Now that would make people think twice about commiting crimes of a ghastly nature. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 489/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| You really wanna empower the state to inflict things like that on people, and employ people to inflict things like that on people? | |||
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5425/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 5335/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I always thought marginally intelligent people realized that given the state more or less unlimited power to inflict what they wanted upon humans was a bad idea. But then I remembered that Leg was on the wrong side of the margin. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3617/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Yeah... I've been thinking about it, and I'm not really sure now. Prison isn't really all that great  my step dad was in prison, I never really want to bring it up with him though because that'd return some bad memories, but it is pretty bad. Most people really don't get the whole ass-rape experience like you'd think, but sometimes they end up doing things they would rather not have done, like stabbing someone. |
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Zer0wned Cheep-cheep Level: 17  Posts: 161/181 EXP: 21472 For next: 3271 Since: 08-16-05 From: Hermosa Beach, CA Since last post: 30 days Last activity: 30 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Are you gonna be one of those parents that gives their kids "time out"? Why the hell shouldn't people suffer for things they've done wrong? Do you really think that any reasonable percentage of people reform after being taken aside for a couple years, and put into uncomfortable living conditions? Personally, the worse the punishment that I'd expect as a result, the longer I reconsider, and I'm 99% sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. If I had nothing going for me, and REALLY wanted some fucker dead, and my only risk was about 3 years in the current prison system, fuck yeah I'd risk it. Now if it were 5 years of actual punishment, I'd reconsider. This isn't some ex-post-facto (after the fact) BS, it's not like "hey, I've changed my mind on how I'm gonna punish you". It's about giving future criminals a reason NOT to do bad things to other people, they know what they're doing, they know it's wrong, they know what the result will be. Lemme give you guys a little insight on a non-lifer. My dad did about three years in Folsom prison (this is supposed to be one of the toughest ones) for drug trafficking back in the early nineties. He had a great fuckin' time. He talks about his time in "the pen" more than he talks about his trip to hawaii. He learned how to make cocaine himself, among many other criminal trades, if he had chosen to, he could have come out a much better drug trafficker, but the court ordered him to move to a place where doing that was hardly an option (Palmdale, it's a desert city). He stopped (for the most part) on his own because he tends to miss people, and my mom can be a very frightening person to deal with. I should also mention that he had nooooo trouble getting his hands on some mary jane whilst in there. This compassionate bullshit is doing nothing but hurting innocent people. Punishment does two things: Sets an example for future possible criminals Provides a reality of concequence for the commiter of the crime It should of course, be reasonable, and not over the top torture, but there are ways to maintain some sort of dignity in the treatment of the criminally minded, without basically pampering them. Oh yeah, butt-fuckin' in the shower room thing hasn't been an issue for years, they use seperate stalls, OZ is full of crap. (edited by Zer0wned on 09-28-05 05:30 PM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5426/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Ziff, take your bitterness somewhere else. This is a serious forum and your trolling is not appreciated. | |||
Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 2648/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon Stop exaggerating. We're not dehumanising or bloodthirsty, we (well I'm only speaking for myself, but whatever) just think that if they commit a crime they KNOW is wrong, they deserve punishment. That punishment isn't getting ass raped or something, it's that they don't get luxeries. Why should a serial killer or a child rapist or someone like that deserve a TV or internet access? They don't. It's a PRISON, not a rec center. |
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SamuraiX Paratroopa Level: 19 Posts: 52/140 EXP: 32602 For next: 3175 Since: 10-11-04 From: ^___^ Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Antarctica stills needs to be populated, and the polar bears could use some extra food. | |||
Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 32/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Another problem is the whole purpose of the law to begin with: proving beyond a reasonable doubt a person's guilt. If those of the law execute someone who in reality didn't do anything wrong (or didn't do anything, period), should the executioners get any more consideration than a common murderer due solely to their ignorance? | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5336/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Legion I hope you said that with a screwed up face. Because you hardly have the authority to say that of me. Not the least when you say that this is a serious forum after the "lolscapades" you unleashed upon it. Just die. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 5429/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Ziff, once more, stop trolling and flaming. Consider this your second warning. Take it somewhere else, but not on this board. | |||
Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 777/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| In an ideal world, I would say no to death sentences. I think it's never too late to be sorry for what you did wrong and thus right them. But that simply wouldn't work in society in terms of ease. It's one thing to wish harm upon someone who wronged you, but it's another to hope they become good. | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5337/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| But according to St. Thomas Aquinas the world in and of itself is ideal. It is the imperfection of humans and knowledge that make the perspective of the world less than ideal. | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 418/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| the world is ideal? this coming from the guy that just told legion to "Just die." wow, if that is your ideal world I want no part of it |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5338/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Too bad it wasn't me that said it, Mr. Reading Comprehension. Tip of the day: read the post. It was St. Thomas Aquinas that said it  |
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