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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Hurricane Katrina: Where's the foreign support? |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa  Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45  Posts: 812/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I figured this belonged here since it could spark up serious debate that didn't belong in General. When the tsunami hit in Christmas, the US didn't immediately give a lot of aid and were dogged out by the rest of the world for such a small contribution (at first). However, where's the aid from the rest of the world for Katrina's damage? | |||
Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38  Posts: 132/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 5238/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Last I checked America isn't a poor third world nation or anything. The world governments are going to send what they can, but won't go out of the way to help. America can help itself. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 282/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Not to mention that the tsunami caused some tens of thousands of deaths, if I remember correctly, and the death toll for Katrina is perhaps two dozen. We'll be fine in a few months, weeks for some areas. There are parts of the world that still haven't recovered from the tsunami. | |||
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 5243/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| About 10 dozen vs. 250'000. | |||
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 284/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I suspected someone would correct me, and decided it was better to under-estimate and seem uneducated than to over-estimate and seem dramatic. Another difference between the tsunami victims and those of hurricane Katrina is that the citizens of New Orleans were told by the mayor that this was going to happen, and that they should leave the city. Tens of thousands of people, according to CNN, decided to stay, ignoring this warning, when they had the means to leave. I hate to be cruel, but it's their fault. I understand not wanting to abandon your home and your belongings, but between death and going through the insurance runaround, I'd choose the latter. But this is perhaps unfair of me to say, because I personally only hold my notebooks to be valuable, and everything else to be replacable. I suspect I'm far more low-maintence than most people are. Not that I'm unsympathetic, I'm just trying to stress the fact that the tsunami and hurricane are absolutely incomparable. The situations, the damage, the loss, the victims. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 439/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Hey, Hugo Chavez pledged aid. Slay: The evacuation order was given, but people without cars weren't really given much help. Where were the army convoys? It's a bit rich to tell the elderly, homeless and destitute, or even just people who don't have cars, that it's their fault they couldn't escape and had to make do with "places of last refuge". |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38 Posts: 138/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by alte Hexe Last I checked, the US seems to always send foreign aid for nearly every trouble out there, but last I checked, regardless of crises we have, no matter what magnitude, it is rare to get any support from any other country. (edited by Thayer on 08-31-05 09:06 AM) |
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45 Posts: 813/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| The amount of deaths from a disaster has no bearing on the amount of support needed. Move people that live means more people that need support. | |||
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38 Posts: 140/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| He has a point, dead people don't need food, clean water, shelter, etc. | |||
DurfarC Beezo Level: 33 Posts: 471/483 EXP: 218551 For next: 10628 Since: 09-04-04 From: Norway Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 12 hours |
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I'm going to make this short and sweet.Originally posted by DahrkDaizIf you're talking about first aid and such from foreign countries, I don't know why the U.S. haven't got any help yet, but if you're talking about money, I hope you realize that the U.S. is the richest country in the world, as well as being the richest country compared to the number of people. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 821/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by DahrkDaiz Of course, because thousands of people dying certainly doesn't hurt the infrastructure of a country at all! By the way, Jan Egeland, head of the UN's humanitarian work, claims that Katrina is worse than the tsunami, but that less damages and deahs has happened because of preperations etc. He also says that the UN is ready to send help, but that the US has so far not expressed a wish to receive any help. (edited by The SomerZ on 08-31-05 08:26 PM) |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 441/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| It'll be there if the US asks, and some offers have been made, but the general perception is that the US would feel like it doesn't need aid, partly due to the idea that large parts of the worl only survive on US handouts. A "WE give aid to THEM, not the other way around" sorta thing. There's also the problem of effective warehousing and delivery - the Mayor of NO is already complaining about the confusion and lack of coordination of aid agencies, "too many cooks in the kitchen". Plus, materially, the US as a disaster-prone nation is already extremely well equipped - what can other countries do that 15000 national guardsmen and the US Navy cannot? And financially... well, I'm assuming there'll be plenty of donations to the Red Cross and so forth. I can see a need for experts in relevant fields (Australian firefighters routinely travel to America to lend their expertise to help them in fighting forest and grass fires, for example), for example I have heard that levee experts from Europe have already flown over to help the engineers figure out how to plug the gap. But aside from advisors and knowledge-based aid, there doesn't seem to be much call for material or financial aid given the US's disaster relief resources. I would also ask - How much aid has the US sent to victims of massive flooding in Europe over the last week? Developed countries tend to have the resources to cope themselves, aid is for countries who don't have such well developed resources. Anyways, it's diplomatic politeness to offer help in times of great natural disaster and I am almost certain that such offers have been made - but because they're routine they don't get blasted all over the headlines. If the US makes specific material requests people will answer, but until then there's no point in just blindly throwing money and resources in the American direction - they don't need it. FINALLY: Hugo Chavez offers aid fuel, clean water, discount petrol for the poor and free eye surgery for those without health insurance... And Canada's sending help including urban rescue teams that were requested. I'm sure there's others. This self-obsessed bleating is a non-issue. (edited by Arwon on 08-31-05 09:56 PM) (edited by Arwon on 08-31-05 09:59 PM) (edited by Arwon on 08-31-05 10:05 PM) (edited by Arwon on 08-31-05 10:06 PM) |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 2152/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| :/ Every time I turn on the TV lately there is a story on each network about the state of affairs in that area. But I have yet to see any information about how individuals can help.... such as where you can send donations, etc. The media as usual seems caught up in the plight and not in the solution. They interviewed some poor man who lost his wife in the flood, literally wrenched from his arms... I sure wouldn't want to be shown on TV in such times. At least they got his wife's name and offered to to put the word out to search for her. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 445/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| From what I've been seeing and hearing the media is dropping the ball on reporting just how dire things are. They're talking about "looting" but they don't really seem to be impressing on people just how bad things are, and that there's a need to send in an organised military presence to restore order, distribute supplies properly, and get everyone out. I also dunno that they're making clear just how uninhabitable the city is going to be for months - effectively, it seems like NO will have to cease to exist as a city for quite a while but they don't seem to be making the point too successfully. (edited by Arwon on 09-01-05 08:09 AM) |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45 Posts: 822/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Well, you could always call 1-800-HELP-NOW or visit redcross.org if you want to make a donation. | |||
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DahrkDaiz Red Super Koopa Acmlm's Mosts 2005 Best ROM Hacker Level: 45 Posts: 820/885 EXP: 643520 For next: 16644 Since: 03-15-04 From: K-Town Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Tennessee has made a huge effort to support hurricane aid. Even middle school kids have started to rally up donations like water, money and fuel to take the water to them. I personally donated 48 bottles of water and am planning to donate again as soon as I get sufficient funds (i.e. pay day). It's great that we live in a country that can support itself, though and doesn't rely on foreign aid. | |||
Clockworkz Birdo  "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64  Posts: 1801/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| I really wish I could help. This is the single greatest natural disaster to ever strike the US. Also, I thought the death toll was now in the thousands. | |||
Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 16/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| It is. Apparently it took a news crew half a day to travel a strecth of road that normally takes only 30 minutes to cross. They had people in front of them clearing away trees and bodies. A few dozen would be a pleasant surprise the way things are turning out now. As for financial aid, even if offered Congress won't accept, as has already been said. |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 10269/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| The death toll won't be known for weeks and you can guess that somewhere in the 1,000 range would be a blessing in disguise. Don't forget that people are dying while being evacuated as well. This is the single greatest natural disaster to ever strike the US. Not quite. |
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