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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Rom Hacking - New NES gaming console. |
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JossiRossi Micro-Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 18/19 EXP: 1464 For next: 723 Since: 12-24-04 From: Spriteville Since last post: 66 days Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Ok, this very likely may be in the wrong forum, however there is a decent reason I bring this up here. http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143042 This is a story on a new NES system being made that plays NES games. It also looks kind of nifty. Now the highlights of the article are that the system can play NES cartridges like a real NES. It also upgrades a few things like you can have wireless controllers, rumble, and some other enhancements if you are really interested you can read the article =] Now for where the Rom Hacking forum comes in. They say they could have plans to release new games for the system. So they will be writing and designing nintendo games. In this forum there is probably a greater wealth of the NES system's workings than anywhere else. This might be somehting you want to keep an eye on because they might actually accept applications for jobs in that. And well people who can tear apart a game and figure out how it works has the best qualifications in my mind. Now some negative things are that they want to "upgrade" stuff like the data storage abilities, the graphic capabilities, sound ect. So the pureist crowd will be ticked off and I myself am a bit annoyed that they want to make an NES yet feel the need to make it better. Might as well make a SNES. So there you go, I hope this is new news. |
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Googie Surarok Level: 39  Posts: 510/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| This is pretty cool since in my day (I feel like an old bastard) grew up with the NES, nice article overall. (edited by Googie on 08-26-05 12:23 PM) |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 537/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| The idea of taking an old console and making it more powerful doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean why would people design games for this platform? It wouldn't be like designing games for the NES -- since games which use the advanced capabilities wouldn't work on an NES. Because of that, the console isn't retro -- it's closer to backwards compatible. And if you're not designing for a retro console -- all you're really doing is designing for an abstract platform that probably only 200 people will be able to play. Why put effort into making a game for a crippled platform that only a handful of people are going to have access to? Why not just make a game for a virtually limitless modern platform that virtually everyone has access to? On top of that, I question how well it will mimic old hardware. Sure it will play most games fine -- but what about Battletoads, Micro Machines, and the other thousands of games which do quirky timing tricks? Many games rely on exact hardware behavior and/or rely on system quirks to run their games -- if this new console doesn't do things just so, those games aren't going to run right/at all. Which, in the end, will make this nothing more than an unpopular system that has a hardware NES emulator (an emulator without typical emulator features and which might not even be as good as today's emulators for PC). |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 421/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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| It's nothing all that new. I've seen it plenty of times on e-bay. And seen many other NES clones, so it's really nothing all that great either. Personally, I'd rather grab one of these. | |||
FloBo Koopa Level: 17  Posts: 84/101 EXP: 20723 For next: 4020 Since: 09-11-04 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 13 hours |
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| I agree on this, Setzer. NeoFami really looks neat! This silver-style looks much better than this new thing!!! | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6564/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Very cool, but I do agree that it seems odd to make it more powerful.
As said before, they may as well just make a SNESclone with these features.  |
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aioria1981 Ninji Level: 20  Posts: 54/234 EXP: 36701 For next: 5738 Since: 07-20-05 From: Viña del Mar, Chile Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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There's also imbnes for psx (and ps2, but a little buggy i think), with the possibility to add a lot of games in a single cd, it can't be compared to the classical NNNN-in-1 carts for that consoles. The bad thing is that imbnes only support a few mappers, the most used though (Battletoads is included, with mapper 7  ). I love to play the community hacks in imbnes, since psx is still a very popular console (well, here in Chile it is), and people can see me playing those "pirate games" with their dumb faces (specially when playing text hacks w/slang XD) as they call for hacks  .PS: to be not so off topic, development of nes games to be played in imbnes should be easier, as it eliminates the trouble getting a cart and an EPROM recorder. The plain .nes rom (and a cd-r) is only needed |
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spoondiddly Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 10/22 EXP: 1235 For next: 213 Since: 06-12-05 Since last post: 14 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| -or Apple 2 It would be more worthwhile if there was a rather snazzy com port on the back of that thing... Seriously though, famiclones are so incredibly common it would otherwise seem redundant. Gotta love that nes-on-a-chip. If someone wanted to make something really worthwhile, why not make a famiclone that either runs FDS disks or floppies with the images on them? This thing sounds less like a nes and more like a turbographix 16. At the least they could handle internet play. |
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AP Panser Level: 22  Posts: 83/333 EXP: 56817 For next: 1533 Since: 08-07-05 Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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I seem to have trouble loading the article for some reason...  Anyone has this problem? |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 543/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| bah I posted a reply on that 1up page (even had to register for it) which basically outlined all the points I made in my prior post but went into much more detail. They didn't even upload it. I figured I'd allow them time, but it's been like 4 days -- I doubt they're going to put it up. My reply wasn't rude or anything, and I didn't even try to make the thing sound bad -- I just pointed out some problems I would potentially have if I got it. Pffft. I guess by "Write your own feedback" they really mean "only write feedback if you're going to talk about how awesome this thing is" -- seeing as how every other feedback post on there talks about how much the console rules. That site is officially stupid. |
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Dr. Mario Bot Level: 26  Posts: 243/262 EXP: 99225 For next: 3050 Since: 05-04-04 Since last post: 53 min. Last activity: 41 min. |
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| Well I think the whole point of this Console undertaking is to make a new console. Nintendo already made the NES, so what would be the point of making it again? They're making thier own console. It's not an NES and they know that. It's supposed to be like an NES and is compatible with it's games, but it's still not supposed to be the same thing. I think it would actually be dumber if they were just building an NES console, like what would be the point? If I wanted an NES I would just go to the Record Exchange and drop the $50 for a top loader. (edited by Dr. Mario on 08-29-05 01:25 PM) |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 444/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Dr. Mario I wouldn't think it stupid if they started producing NES's again. In fact, we probably would need somebody to produce them in the long run, because otherwise there would end up being very few functional ones left. But yeah, I don't think they need to make a new console and call it the NES when it very clearly is not. |
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Bit-Blade Pixel Artist Level: 34  Posts: 340/445 EXP: 229264 For next: 24387 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Surpringly, I'm going to side with Disch and the purists on this one. What the hell! If they are going to make a 'retro' system, brining back the nes, then they shouldn't upgrade it. That totally defeats the whole POINT of it being the nes or even making 'new' nes games. All this is is a souped up nes, the SOUPER NES.... I would have loved to have seen brand new NES games but this... wtf. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6664/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Yes, at least call it an 'NES-Compatible' system, not an NES remake. An NES remake would have 4 colours and mono sound. (And I still say a SNES remake would be far cooler.  ) |
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AP Panser Level: 22 Posts: 86/333 EXP: 56817 For next: 1533 Since: 08-07-05 Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I think those new 8 color games for the new NES should at least have 4 color versions, like the original NES. I still can't go to the article, though. Anyone knows why? | |||
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spoondiddly Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 11/22 EXP: 1235 For next: 213 Since: 06-12-05 Since last post: 14 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I'm with Hyperhacker. A new SNES would be far cooler. A SNES/NES hybrid though - I'd buy that. There are plenty of more interesting things to upgrade than the size of the pallettes. Besides, there are workarounds for that, such as this: http://nesdev.parodius.com/paltest.zip and this: http://nesdev.parodius.com/rstrdemo.zip or actually, any of the transparency or interlacing demos on nesdev Incorporating the extra fds sound channel? Heck, I'd love to see a NES clone that can run the psuedo-bitmapped stuff that the original couldn't. But seriously... more colors and rumbling controllers aren't really that great. There are a lot more useful upgrades that can be made that could benefit existing games, such as concocting a method around the sprites-per-line issues. That drives me nuts in Bubble Bobble. |
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TheGamerDude Newcomer Level: 3 Posts: 5/5 EXP: 110 For next: 18 Since: 07-27-05 Since last post: 57 days Last activity: 35 days |
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| I hope Messiah can make a disk system for the Generation Nex. and I hope the Messiah version of the disk system will last longer than the Nintendo one. | |||
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EverdredReturns Micro-Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 17/19 EXP: 1376 For next: 72 Since: 01-30-05 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| A few things: - Is it really stereo sound, or just dual mono? I know you can hack an NES for faux-stereo by splitting the sound channels, but did they do that? - It's interesting for me if only for the ability to play Famicom games, too. I just hope they support external sound well. - I would understand the price a bit more if it included component video or s-video out. Yeah, the NES creates composite video and nothing better, I know, and trying to make it better would cause palette discrepancies, but maybe they could have had an option for adjusting the palette? - A SNES/NES combo system would be sweet, but from what I hear Messiah's system was feasible in part due to the expiration of a 20 year patent on the NES hardware, so if the same were to apply for the SNES it'd be about 6 years before we see such a thing. And by then we'd have the Revolution and all of that, and may even be on to the generation of consoles after the upcoming ones. |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6889/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Heck, the original SNES seems to have been designed to be NES-compatible. So it wouldn't be at all difficult. Patents could present a problem, though. | |||
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spoondiddly Goomba Level: 7 Posts: 17/22 EXP: 1235 For next: 213 Since: 06-12-05 Since last post: 14 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker Come to think of it, how much new hardware was actually in those aftermarket SNES->NES converters? It is very frightening just how much of the original NES was incorporated into the SNES. They must have at least concidered backward-compatability - or they're just ridiculously cheap ;*) |
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