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Bit-Blade Pixel Artist Level: 34  Posts: 334/445 EXP: 229264 For next: 24387 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I think that it is very difficult to say "there is life after death" or "there is only life. if you die you do not exist". There's a hell of a lot we really don't understand, too many shades of grey... As for me, I do beleive in the soul. I beleive there is a physical self and a spiritual self. What possible evidence could I have to support this? Well... we are alive. I don't think that biological functions and reality explain every aspect of humanity or our world. If it were, we might all be like coldly robots (or something). Other than that it's more of just a feeling I have... and it's an issue I've thought long and hard about for years *shrugs*. I'd like to think I'm not just clutching to the idea of immortality but who can say? Humans are wonderful at deceiving themselves. |
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firemaker Level: 26  Posts: 195/247 EXP: 94178 For next: 8097 Since: 03-23-04 From: UK berkshire Since last post: 17 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Personally i don't know whhat to believe. I wish that there was life after death in the way thatt you do what you want like in a never ending dream but then again that is probably just human hope, not wanting to let go of the world. | |||
Tatrion Red Cheep-cheep Level: 18  Posts: 9/215 EXP: 27181 For next: 2716 Since: 08-20-05 Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| I've heard before that great minds like Mozart, Albert Einstein, and the like were reincarnated with the abilities they gained in a previous life. Sounds crazy, but possible...? | |||
Ronin Bot Level: 20  Posts: 11/267 EXP: 37090 For next: 5349 Since: 08-22-05 Since last post: 10 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| Personally, I think it's a little bit like a combination of Buddhism and all of the Christian faiths. Basically, you die, and if you've been exceptionally bad, you go to hell, exceptionally good, heaven, but if you're stuck some place in the middle, you get another chance to decide your fate by being reincarnated. |
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Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 3/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| The problem I have with a 'Heaven/Hell' concept is that reward vs. punishment is relative in nature. What exactly is pleasure without the pain to accompany it? That's like 'she's always so happy;' the only way to verify that opinion is to use someone else who is considered 'sad.' If we do have 'Anima,' it's not in the 4th dimension or or any dimension below. Those are all physical dimensions, and because the universe seems to express itself physically rather than spiritually, we are in turn forced to use a 4-dimensional perspective to utilize and apply logic, making consciousness undetectable and immesurable. Someone will inevitably try to tell you 'We are composed of atoms and electrical impulses.' This is absolutely correct. Any guesses what matter and energy really are? Sure, you can go to Webster's. The definition for matter blows the mind. 'All objective phenomena?' 'The substance from which physical objects are composed?' Nice way to step around it. It seems there are indeed four elements making up 'us', but it's not fire, water, air and earth. It's space, time, matter, and energy, all of which are apparently interchangable, which really means they aren't truly different from one another, which brings us back to what IS this? This seems to be the current working paradigm for our perception of existence. So, IF something does happen when the physical body goes through the shift of death, it is beyond the scope of human perception, unless we can somehow use this infomation in such a way as to force the universe to define itself. I really wish I could have witnessed the Big Bang we apparently had. In any case, an afterlife most certainly won't be 'good' or 'bad,' since those are dependant concepts, thereby forced into the mold of human perception, which already seems to have a great deal of trouble perceiving anything beyond the 4th dimensional element, or 'time.' |
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Tatrion Red Cheep-cheep Level: 18 Posts: 24/215 EXP: 27181 For next: 2716 Since: 08-20-05 Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| *Brain explodes from thinking too hard* That sounds so complicated, it must be correct (not being sarcastic, serious  ) |
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Scatterheart Panser Level: 29 Posts: 278/342 EXP: 143409 For next: 4476 Since: 06-06-04 From: Sydney, Australia Since last post: 17 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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I agree! Man! I wish I was as smart as that.  Think about it though, as it does make sense. Viceroy Legion's comment was basic, and to me seems absolutly true. Just something some people made up to make themselves feel better about the unknown. And about these "white light - near death experiences"... Bah! I sometimes, while just about to fall asleep, feel like I hear a loud bang, or feel like I'm falling, then quickly wake up to a bright white flash. It's just some brain reaction. And with these "I remember these things even though I've never been here" things. That can be a tricky one. Maybe you did go there at a very young age. Maybe (also at a young age) you overheard your parents talking about it. Some things you remember about your childhood, many others you don't. |
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Bella Ludwig Von Koopa You're Gonna Love Me Level: 76  Posts: 1930/2962 EXP: 3891483 For next: 114577 Since: 03-29-04 From: Groovy Way Since last post: 8 min. Last activity: 6 min. |
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| I don't really know what to think on this subject. Even though I haven't really had any type of faith pushed on me, I have been told that there is heaven, hell and be good and you'll go to heaven. Near death experiences..could be peoples imagination but you never know if it's true or not until you experience something like it. We'll see if there's life after death when it happends. For now, all we can do is wonder. |
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Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 12/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| There's also the possibility that you really don't 'die.' If consciousness, or the spirit, doesn't exist physically, how can it do anything physical, such as dissipate? If it's not physically present to begin with, perhaps the term 'death' is also inadequate. Or, if everything we are is directly represented by matter and energy...heh heh, most scientists will balk at the idea of creating or destroying matter and energy, and since they're interchangeable...well, you didn't really go anywhere! That makes me wonder if a perfectly preserved genetic memory will allow one to retain this particular consciousness or if a new one replaces it...maybe even if my physical avatar was reconstructed after the overall chemical reaction ceased to perpetuate itself, it -still- wouldn't be 'me.' This last bit's more focused on organized religion and 'consequence.' I can't remember if I thought of this when pressed with the question 'what are you going to do with your life' or if it's a thought I heard elsewhere, but If one does actually die, then everything they do truly doesn't matter, as 'common purpose' is likewise human/cultural in nature (though from evolving in such a way that the lifeforms that wish to survive prevail, anything that threatens our survival should of course still be opposed), leaving fulfillment of self as a possibility which, of course won't happen since you're dead (tautology, maybe I can phrase it better later). If one does not die, there is an infinite amount of time to do absolutely everything, so once again it doesn't matter. Enter the 'afterlife,' a convenient yet exceedingly improbable stepping stone between finite and infinite , where humanity can define the rules and exercise control. Hmmmmmm....... |
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Zweih Level: 7  Posts: 8/24 EXP: 959 For next: 489 Since: 08-27-05 Since last post: 9 days Last activity: 8 days |
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| Well, my standpoint on this subject is pretty firm on the thoery of the basic karma concept. What you do in this life affects your infinite experience. Best for those who have done something good. Even though, that is like Christianity in a nutshell, without all the details like the Sunday Worship and whatnot. I best prefer the thoery that the afterlife for "nuetral" people, who get an immediate rebirth. Good natured people get the choice of either rebirth or eternal bliss in their concept. The explanation on the "tunnel of light" is best described when one's conciousness leaves its physical vessel to see dead loved ones or to be warned for one's actions so they can retain themselves to this path of "light". | |||
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 280/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| What if this is the afterlife? What if human beings constantly transcend between afterlives, all the while wondering if there is an afterlife. That would be delicious. So perhaps we should be pondering the existence of a prenascency. | |||
Ares Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 36/47 EXP: 7857 For next: 64 Since: 03-17-04 From: Uh...Olympus....yes, that will do..... Since last post: 12 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| well, one thing I'm hearing is "there's no way for christians to really know!" well, ya, your right. I'm paraphrasing Solomon when I say "Who really knows if our souls go to god when we die?" its in Proverbs. know one says they've got the answeres, just a decent idea. another thing I'm hearing is: "If I'm good...heaven" well, that's a piece of psueodo-christian crap. Not if you adhere to the belief, far be it for me to start a fight or anything. But I mean if that's what you think the Judeo-christian standpoint is. That's a misconception. Think about it. "good" is relative to your environment, time and situation. David was a local warlord, he probably made it in, Moses was a murdurer, Noah was a drunk, ect. No, the official "how to get into heaven" stance with the Judeo-christian tradition is the status of ones relationship with God. Whether it be abservence of its cultural traditons (jewish) or to be "born again" as with the Christian. another thing I'm hearing is "heaven is a place where you can do what you want and screw super-models" or something. once again, if that's your personal bag, okay I guess. But if you think that's the Christian perspective, nuh uh. Sex is right out the window along withm most other stuff. Mostly people will be standing (or floating or something) glorifying in God's presence. If your having trouble with that, just think of that ep of Family Guy with Stewie and the Teletubbies. Oh, and one last thing. It's a bit of a debate in christianity right now, but that's really a "don't wanna listen" vs. "no look, it says it right HERE"! kind of debate but... well, no matter what, right after you die you don't go immediatly to heaven. the bible describes someplace reffered to mysteriously as the abode of the dead, both good and bad. It's referred to as Sheol in the OT (Hebrew for Grave) and was a state to be fearful of. In NT it was referred to as Hades (cause the NT was written in Greek, so it borrowed a few names) sometimes its referred to as the Abyss and such. To me, as a practicing Christian, (I'm the nice liberal kind, in case anyone cares) I can't help but see sheol and think, "hmm, dark, mysterious, probably confusing, and mixed in with good and evil people" sounds like the state of a ghost to me. Oh, and you only get into heaven or hell (specifically the lake of fire) during judgement day I think, and am paraphrasing. The religion itself and what is practiced now is quite different. Even for an athiest (sp?) the Bible is an intreging read. (as is any sacred text, I'm not leaving anybody out or anything) |
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Edea Red Goomba Level: 8 Posts: 14/36 EXP: 1824 For next: 363 Since: 08-23-05 Since last post: 11 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| Slay brought up an excellent point. If that's the case, surely the transition of the spiritual state from one reality to another would result in circumstances so different that it would still be difficult, if not impossible, to assign words and definitons to it. My previous reality involved q-bert and grape soda... |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 283/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| In my previous death, I looked like this ---> o_y In my current death, I look like this ---> o_g |
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Skytroopa Red Paratroopa Level: 19  Posts: 130/175 EXP: 34773 For next: 1004 Since: 03-21-05 From: If you want know it , PM me. Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I belive you become ghost or you will born again , but as another people or animal. It can't be like a nap , because what will be with your soul? If you are soul in dead body , what you will do? Stay forever in your body and bored , go from your body like a ghost or born again? I'm sure nobody want stay in his rottening dead body. (edited by Skytroopa on 09-20-05 01:26 PM) |
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Thayer Fuzz Ball Level: 38  Posts: 765/988 EXP: 349428 For next: 21019 Since: 06-28-05 Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| I've always felt that the body decomposes and the soul goes into a stasis, whereas your spirit will either remain at rest for a time with the soul, and eventually will no longer exist after the soul is restored, but the spirit can also be disturbed from rest, but I don't mean like 95% of the so-called ghosts that supposedly exist, I'm thinking of something else, it's difficult to explain really. :\ | |||
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Crim~ Blue Octorok Level: 10  Posts: 34/46 EXP: 4146 For next: 268 Since: 05-09-05 From: The Wild Wild West, Los Angeles Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by RoninDefine exceptionally good, exceptionally bad, and moderately good. Those are personal personal values which were given to you by a book, a person that you listened to, your parents, and so on. How would you go about justifying lies, which allow you to keep someone out of harm, and preserve your image to other people. Perhaps your family is Christian, and you talk to the priest one day. He asks you how you feel about the bible, how you feel about god, if you're being a good person. If you were uncertain about the whole there's a supreme being who created humans, are you really going to admit it? Are you really going to say you're not too sure about your so called faith(Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.)? Could you really bring yourself to tell that priest "I think the bible is nothing but a book of lies and made up stories to keep people in line, I think god is just some full of shit idea to make us feel certain about why we are here, I only come here because my parents drag me along. I'm not really what you would call a good person, I bully people I know and sell drugs to 12 year olds". Would it be good that you told the truth, or would it be bad that you probably insulted this priest and just revealed that you don't really believe what you have been taught to believe? I know exactly what happens after we die, we're buried, cremated, left out in the dirt somewhere, etc. Done, that's it. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 315/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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I have a more romantic way of looking at it, Crim. I was sitting outdoors recently, on the front porch of an aquaintence's house, and recorded this in a notebook. The following is excerpted.From Slay's Diary You sound angry, Crim, ready to tear down anybody whose opinion differs from your own in the slightest. Saying, "there is no afterlife" need not always be a bitter sentiment... |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 486/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Here's what happens when you die: Your heart stops beating, oxygen stops reaching your brain, you have a few last flickering thoughts and then your synapses stop firing. Your personality and memories cease to exist. Then you begin to decompose... worms burrow into your rotting flesh, maggots infest your skull. Wait, no, you go to a big country-club type place and hang out with Jesus and Mark Twain and your long lost relatives. My mistake. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3618/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Interesting concept, as always. The process of death has been very appealing to me lately, what does happen when you die, is there an after life and so forth and so on. Religion, although makes many people better, and sometimes they take it to far and are just a nuisence, it isn't something you should constantly follow, as any god that loved everyone (christian) wouldn't try and force you to live life his way. That would mean he only loved himself. A passive approached to everything, is just to not worry about it till you die, then decide. This is probably MY personal favorite, because it allows you to live freely. The only thing I'll regret about my life is that I don't know whats comming before it ends. |
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