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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - The Christian Right |
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Your View?| They're good people. They change the world for the better. |
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Clockworkz Birdo  "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64  Posts: 1758/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Simple question. In these turmoltuous times, the Christian Right's activity seems to be picking up, do to instability in people's lives. I see them preying on the weak, and masquerading pro-racism, pro-sexism, and homophobia under the name of God and Jesus Christ is sickening. I'm an aetheist, myself, but I hold most religions with some amount of respect. But not these guys. The good contemporary Christians are cool with me inmy book, they're good people. But it's these right-winged loonies that make the world tough for people. If I'm making anyone upset, I truly am sorry. Express your views, and tell us what you think. I'm sure I'll do my best to respect your decision.  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 4860/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I don't think they're bad people necessarily, just blinded by an extremist point of view they have taken with their religion. | |||
Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 388/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4862/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Reading all of that made me feel like punching my monitor. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4889/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Like any extreme....the people are simply misguided. They've taken the teachings of someone who preached peace, tolerance and love and reamed it right up the arse. | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 390/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| I think they have good intentions with what they do, but they've distorted the religion they believe and made it into something that serves their purposes | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 3297/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| Geez, Clocky, you are making it sound as though these people are going out of their way to make everyone else's life a living hell. DUMB! | |||
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Clockworkz Birdo "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64 Posts: 1759/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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| Well, to quote my own bio... (And I do fully agree with this, as I have seen first-hand what they do) 1) they are dishonest. masquerading pro-business, pro-greed, racist, sexist, homophobic bigotry under the banner of 'christianity' is disgusting. as far as i can tell their agenda has no foundation in the teachings of christ, and as far as i can tell the leaders of the christian right only proclaim themselves as christians because it's a politically expedient way to further their warped agenda. so although they claim an interest in furthering and preserving 'christian culture' it's all just a ruse to restructure the world according to their narrow-minded social aesthetic and at the same time protect and increase their wealth. 2) they prey upon people's weakness. we live in very unstable times, socially and economically. many people are eager for some sense of stability and the christian right preys upon this. rather than encourage people to go forward with open minds and a compassionate approach the christian right urges its followers to scapegoat the easy victims and focus on trivial or irrelevant issues. how is fighting gay rights and blocking multicultural education going to benefit anybody or meet people's needs? the agenda of the christian right is anachronistic and irrelevant and by forcing it upon the fearful and the unstable they are doing a great deal of harm. 3) they are shortsighted. one of the first steps in dealing with any set of problems is prioritizing. you don't worry about fixing the gutters on your house if your house is on fire. likewise you don't worry about gays in the military or immigration when the basic environmental and existential needs of the people are not being met. people eat terrible food and lead miserable lives and breathe carcinogenic air and drink polluted water. we are poisoning this planet and ourselves. if you were god what would upset you more, bare breasts on t.v or the destruction of healthy and beautiful ecosystems? i agree that people would be better off if they were more spiritual, but not in the capitalistic/status-quo way that the christian right promotes. 4) they tend to be hateful and judgemental, both of which are anathema to the teachings of christ. christ said quite specifically, 'judge not lest you be judged.' i challenge the christian right to work out their own salvation in fear and trembling and not worry about the supposed sins of others. hate, violence, judgementalism, bigotry, homophobia, and misogyny are all ugly things, but for me they're particularly ugly and upsetting when they're attached to the name of christ, whom i love. humility is a healthy and wonderful thing and something that seems to be in short supply within the ranks of the christian right. christ preached love and humility and compassion, not hate and judgementalism. my message to the christian right would be to put aside any part of their ideology that is hateful or judgemental and go forth in a spirit of love & humility. if you're going to base your life on the teachings of christ, then do so. the world could use some true christians. the world doesn't need any more hate and blame and violence, especially not in the name of christ. |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 3298/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by Clockworkz First of all, Captain Obvious, most people agree with themself. If you didn't agree with yourself, well, um... we'll leave that alone. Second of all, why didn't you just come out and say you were going to do a profile on Jerry Falwell, George W. Bush, Karl Rove, and Newt Gingrich? Oh, and who'd you hear this all from? It's not like this stuff is new and original. It's recycled rhetoric (with truth in it) that we have all heard 9 million times over. We all know that they don't follow Christ's teachings. Duh. And don't generalize. Not all evangelists are bastards. Just a good handful that makes the group noticeable  (edited by alte Hexe on 07-31-05 02:19 AM) |
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Clockworkz Birdo "Hoargh! Take your shoes off!" Level: 64 Posts: 1761/2002 EXP: 2188320 For next: 25777 Since: 03-15-04 From: Undisclosed Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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I didn't agree with me. Read my bio. These are moby essays. And it goes without saying; if I didn't agree with them, I wouldn'tve put 'em in my bio  |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4865/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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Originally posted by Kefka Link to source please? |
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 3299/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| edit:: I apologize for this instance. Ziff, Legion and I will cuddle later tonight to make up for this transgression. I'm very sorry. -Kefka. (edited by alte Hexe on 07-31-05 02:27 AM) |
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1926/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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| See, everyone on that page got a hateful response from me. But when I got up to Falwell: "Oh. Eh, that's just him." I'm so used to him spewing bullshit that I just didn't give a shit about him anymore, and that's a feat none of the others could accomplish. |
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Ramadan Roy Like Like ...Or you'll be wearing your ass for a hat. Renowned Otaku Level: 44 Posts: 723/816 EXP: 569705 For next: 41580 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Man, they should be called the Christian Wrong. End of story. | |||
Dude Man Koopa Level: 18 Posts: 64/116 EXP: 29288 For next: 609 Since: 05-02-04 From: Wareham Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 7 hours |
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| There is nothing I hate more then a bunch of shit talking crybaby Christian extremests. They took the good name of the lord and christ and turned them both into weapons of hatred and opression. It pisses me off so much because I have friends who are gay. And I know what they go through and how shitty some people act around them. I say we make our own agenda. We shall call it the "Shut the hell up" agenda. (edited by Dude Man on 07-31-05 09:32 PM) |
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ClockExplosion Red Goomba Level: 10  Posts: 37/46 EXP: 3573 For next: 841 Since: 06-24-05 From: Fort Worth, Tejas Since last post: 78 days Last activity: 60 days |
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| There is no such thing as a Christian Right, as there is no such thing as a Dumbass Left. I really think religious label should be put out of politics, because just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're all automatically a Republican. I know a girl who's a Christian Science who registered for the Democratic party. There are others. Now if you're talking about the right in general, all I have to say is that the right is mostly the conservatives - meaning that, they want things to be the same. If it ain't broke, don't fix it right? Now, if you mean Christians who are in Politics, I like to call these Political Christians, who usually, are still a true Christian from a different camp (James-ian, not Paul-ian). Their beliefs are as valued as the next one, even if it's "wrong". And Clockwork, you need to get your own thought process instead of bieng a blind Moby follower. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3374/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| This is one of the reasons I don't like being called a Christian sometimes. Because these people make Christians look like a bunch of assholes who are trying to surpress everything. Hell, someone insulted the Jewish people, and he was following the old testament things... I love it. | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL Level: 67 Posts: 1940/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by ClockExplosion See, each side has their own section. You've got the Hippie Left, the Redneck Right, the Business Right, the College Professor Left, and of course, the Christian Right or Left (which goes both ways because religeon can be used to either favor a war or oppose it, etc.). Also, I'd be willing to disagree with you and say that there is a Dumbass Left, as well as a Dumbass Right. Of course, I just call them dickholes, but everyone has to be politically correct. Also, why the hell would you bring up the point of Clockworkz being a Moby fan? That's like me telling you you're a retard and don't know how to argue because you like the Spice Girls, or something like that. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4915/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| There are extremes on both side. There are the sheeple left and right. The left consists of kids that listen to too much Greenday and then become politically apathetic once that stops getting Top 40 radio play and never vote (which is also expressed in many rightist groups). The right is generally the kids that are homeschooled and have never thought for themselves or are engulfed with fear and misunderstanding that they express it in hatred (which also is expressed in many leftist groups). To say that their is no Christian Right would be moronic, there is a Christian Right. There are different degrees. Dominionists who literally want to drive America and Canada into the ground to kick start the rapture. The "Christian Reich" like Ann Coulter that use God and Jesus as a new way to hate. Then there is the regular Christian Right that are generally benign social conservatives who just want things to culturally cool down. I mean, I can understand them, but don't agree. Most of these support equal rights, but want the "Christian" definition of marriage, etc. to remain. Geeogree could be considered a member of the Christian Right. The Christian Left has its own millenarists which are actually just passive dominionists. The Christian Left then has its own components from there. "Old Boys" who are socially conservative but socialists in any other sense. Generally just anti-gay. Men's men and are annoying as all hell. Then there are people like me who believe that Christian beliefs are inherently leftist. This goes for every religion too. I didn't think that there would be a Buddhist Right...But there is  Point 1: Cymoro - I hate the American defintion of "PC" I think it has been over used there. PC just means you know, not dropping the N bomb and doing things of that sort. The Right and Left extremes in America whine too much and need to learn from others. Especially the right "DAMNED LIBERAL CONTROLED TELEVISION. WE HAVE TO START COMMITTEES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARD!" but when someone asks for fair and balanced broadcasting on say...Fox or something...Be damned if you're going to get that |
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Legato Newcomer Level: 5  Posts: 8/9 EXP: 314 For next: 215 Since: 06-19-05 From: Finland, Mikkeli Since last post: 80 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Christianity = Good ALL sort of fanaticism (Fanatic atheists, christians) = Bad I talk pretty much nowadays with all sort of christians, atheists, agnostics and satanists. And I have to say that I all those groups have their own extreme fanatics (well, maybe not agnostics) and usually they are SO close-minded and they always try to press their philophies and ideas upon others. Also, it makes you generally lose your critical and objective thinking, and that's why I'm pretty agnostic myself, even tough I sometimes participate in Ev.Lutheran Church's and Finnish Ev.Lutheran Pietist's events. Generally I think that only good view of life is agnosticism (maybe in some level even satanism, NOT satan worshipping). Atheism, christianity, all sort of belief based on some sort of divinity is bad and leads to a close-minded and pressing thinking. And I think that there must be some sort of higher power, mainly because of all highly advanced protein-machines called 'life' in short and I don't think that this universe could be born from nothing, but I don't know if that higher power is christianity's G/god or only some sort of high energy or whatever. (edited by Legato on 08-01-05 03:51 PM) |
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