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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - General Emulation - Rom Legality? |
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Spel werdz rite Koopa Level: 14  Posts: 10/108 EXP: 11151 For next: 1920 Since: 07-26-05 From: Murrieta CA Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| I was contemplating on an idea to make rom dispatching legal. Couldn't someone just make some random hex with an nes header, then they can use an ips maker (I like lips), and create an ips from the random hex to a rom. (example) Make a some random data 000000: Must be NES header 000010: 00 21 4A EB 9A 77 3F F6 91 28 41 D3 47 EC 53 18 Save it as *.nes Open up lips and select this file as the ORIGINAL rom and use smb1.nes as the CHANGED rom, now there's smb1.ips! You can distribute *.nes and smb1.ips. I tested it with this and it works. If it's okay to distribute changes of an original game, is it legal distribute changes of some random hex that has a great resemblance to an original game? |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 369/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Spel werdz rite What are you trying to accomplish? You should explain that idea better. If anything, isn't legal in the U.S. to download ROMs for systems that aren't on market anymore? If I recall, under the Digital Millennium something Act of 2000, the Librarian of Congress made a ruling on that. |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 486/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| So you'd have people double the size of their download in a futile attempt to make pirating legal? I don't think it'll fly. Besides, if the entire ROM is in the IPS -- then the IPS is the ROM and it's what you can't distribute =P. The idea is the software is what's copyrighted -- you just moved the software to an IPS file, that doesn't make it any more legal to distribute. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 10642/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Infact, it could as well be said. Games with ripped graphics? Technically illegal. Becuse it's a modification dosen't mean it's legal. Thank god Game devolopers hadn't realised that they could sue hackers becuse of them using graphics from other games.  |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 487/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| Plus IPS patches which expand the ROM typically ahve a copy of the last PRG bank in the ROM inside them, so they contain copyrighted data too. Emulation in general is just shadey. I don't really know why IPS files are considered okay when ROMs are so taboo -- but hey, I'm not gonna argue. |
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Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 299/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| I don't think ROMs will ever be legal, no matter how much we try. Its not that big of deal that its illegal. Its not like hitting a police officer or robbing a $1,000 tuxedo from a department store. =P Snika |
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Sukasa Boomboom Error 349857348734534: The system experienced an error. Level: 57  Posts: 1467/1981 EXP: 1446921 For next: 39007 Since: 02-06-05 From: *Shrug* Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Besides, every ROM site I've been too always has the disclaimer that if you own the original board/rom/disk/whatever, then it is perfectly legal, because in some legal declaration or another, it says that you are entitle to have a backup copy of anything you own. | |||
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 488/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| That's a falsehood. Whether or not you own the cart makes no difference. It's legal to own a back-up copy, yes -- but it's not legal to distribute copies -- therefore the copies you get from ROM sites are being distributed illegally, therefore they're illegal to download. Commercial ROMs can only be legal if you dump them yourself from a cart you own. But whatever -- I mean we all know we're breaking the law. I doubt anyone here really cares. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3705/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Disch exactly...it is the game makers best interest to try to stop pirating for things that are currently available instead of things the stopped making money off of years ago... arresting someone for distributing 10-15 year old games is as lame as suing the maker of an RV because you did not know that cruise control doesn't steer... |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6144/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Disch Could they really sue over a patch containing a small part of their code? I mean I've written games with a lot of similar if not identical code to commercial games. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to find some random JPEG file or something containing a string of bytes that happens to be identical to a chunk of code in a game. Does that make those illegal too? For that matter, suppose I write a graphic engine which uses the same input data as some copyrighted graphics in a game, but produces different output. My game still contains copyrighted graphics, but the graphics it actually displays are different. What now? And probably the biggest point of all... things like Mario's image are copyrighted, aren't they? Screenshots of the games contain these. Are screenshots illegal? So yeah. I can't imagine anyone being sued over a patch that contains 32K of the code of a 2MB ROM.  And if Nintendo cared about us using their graphics in hacks, they'd have done something by now. |
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Spel werdz rite Koopa Level: 14 Posts: 18/108 EXP: 11151 For next: 1920 Since: 07-26-05 From: Murrieta CA Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| ______________________________________________________________________ I can't imagine anyone being sued over a patch that contains 32K of the code of a 2MB ROM. And if Nintendo cared about us using their graphics in hacks, they'd have done something by now.__________________________________________________ That's exactly what I was stressing about the whole time. You seem to be the first person in this whole thread to realize that!  |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6201/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Well, no. What I'm saying is Nintendo won't give a damn if I relocate some code in a hack and end up including said code in my patch. I'd only be copying a few kilobytes of the game. Your idea is basically taking the entire ROM and putting it into a different (and less efficient) format. It's still a ROM, you just need a special program to read it. | |||
dan Snap Dragon Level: 43  Posts: 674/782 EXP: 534516 For next: 30530 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 14 hours |
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| Nintendo will probably never sue a ROM hacker. It would be bad publicity, and they probably wouldn't get much money from doing it. | |||
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 378/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by The Crimson ChinOriginally posted by Disch The same applies to music as well. If you look at different pieces of movement, you'll see that you can find that pieces of different melodies are about the same. In fact, a melody you make up may end up being similar to one you heard long ago (or even not heard), but that doesn't meant you copied it or plagiarized it. It's a very grey legal area; I'll grant you that. |
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Spel werdz rite Koopa Level: 14 Posts: 41/108 EXP: 11151 For next: 1920 Since: 07-26-05 From: Murrieta CA Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| What's the song with the high pitch voice saying he's lonely? They used an original song. |
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Kei-kun Level: 9 Posts: 22/27 EXP: 2633 For next: 529 Since: 11-15-04 Since last post: 86 days Last activity: 26 days |
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| How about splitting a rom into two pieces? Not by cutting it in half, but by putting every other byte into a seperate file? First byte into file one, second byte into file two, third byte into file one, and so on... A simple program could be made to cut the roms in half and piece them back together. Either half is just random crap. Wait, nevermind. Pretty much any idea of getting around it won't work. Such as zipping a rom. The data means nothing until the file is decompressed, yet zipped roms are still illegal. ;P |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 6330/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Nope. The only real way that would work is if 2 sources only supplied half the data, which would be a huge pain. Plus they could probably still treat it the same as if you gave out the actual ROM, since your intention is clearly to do just that. Now suppose someone made a program which could make relatively cool music out of any arbitrary file, and supplied ROMs for the purposes of playing them as music... I wonder how legal that would be? It's the same idea as the "same data, different output" condition I mentioned before, but applied to the entire file. |
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firemaker Level: 26  Posts: 154/247 EXP: 94178 For next: 8097 Since: 03-23-04 From: UK berkshire Since last post: 17 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| i would just give up because not matter how much we try, having roms will always be illegal unless you have them as a back up. | |||
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Kyoufu Kawa I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way. Level: 70  Posts: 1933/2481 EXP: 3008456 For next: 7355 Since: 03-19-04 From: Catgirl Central Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| Let's just keep it at this: it's impossible to prevent ROM distribution, so why even worry about the legality of your ROM? It's not like some Suits with the Nintendo logo on their jackets are gonna bust down my door after I post how I have ROMs of every single NES game ever released, right? Edit: Doorbell's a-ringing, lessee who it is  (edited by Kawa-oneechan on 08-06-05 06:25 AM) |
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Riku Giant Goomba Level: 42  Posts: 472/1239 EXP: 505941 For next: 15421 Since: 06-21-05 From: ....Is this like a custom title? Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I would think if you added an IPS that big, the ROM would be leaking with data with the oversize. I don't see how you could. |
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