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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 378/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| From the Sydney Morning Herald: Catholics are among the least homophobic people in Australia, despite the church's leaders railing against gay rights, a new study has found. The Australia Institute study, Mapping Homophobia in Australia, released today, shows two-thirds of Baptists and evangelical Christians believe homosexuality to be immoral. But Catholics, Anglicans and Uniting church members are the most tolerant, with only a third saying homosexuality is immoral. Report co-author Dr Clive Hamilton said Catholic church views on homosexuality were among the highest profile in the country, with prominent leaders such as Cardinal George Pell active in debates over gay marriage and resisting calls to allow gay priests. "However, it turns out that, among those who declare a religious affiliation, Catholics are the most tolerant in Australia," Dr Williams said. "These counter-intuitive findings suggest that the Catholic Church has less doctrinal authority over its congregation than some other Christian and non-Christian churches." (and it continues to say other fairly obvious stuff... atheists and young adults are the least anti-gay, teenage boys and old people are more anti-gay, and irrelevantly for most of you but unsurprisingly to me, suburban Queenslanders and western Tasmanians are the most anti-gay geographical groups) This pretty much proves my theory about Catholics being pretty tolerant and moderate and secular these days. I actually think the all-encompassing unity and sheer irrationality of the Catholic Church, coupled with the fatalism about original sin and so forth (we're all sinners, so we should do our best but realise no-one is perfect and there's no point being judgemental), tend to make Catholics far less prone to indoctrination than people think. They mostly listen to what the Pope and Bishops say, maybe agree it's a nice idea, then turn around and ignore it anyway and go back to doing whatever they were to begin with. It's a nice set-up. After all, it ain't Catholics blowing up abortion clinics, running http://www.godhatesfags.com and so forth. The Catholic Church's elected-monarchy power structure is archaic, backwards and, let's face it, crazy, but because no-one really listens too closely, it lends a fairly benign unifying moral force compared to most Protestants who, faced with doctrinal conflicts and uncomfortable moral questions, split into smaller groups and yell a lot. (edited by Arwon on 07-26-05 08:24 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 07:35 AM) (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:36 AM) (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:41 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 08:03 AM) |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 253/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Interesting find again, Arwon. I must ask, are groups lobbying to get homosexual marraige banned in Austrailia? I ask because the poll simply asked if a person thought it was immoral, and there's a wide gap between thinking homosexuality is immoral, and trying to change the laws of your country to enforce that; so of those who said they feel it is immoral, we don't know if they think that gay marraige should be banned, or if they feel everyone has equal rights. I'd be very interested to see a similar study done in America, with modified questions... (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:36 AM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4795/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Because the Church generally doesn't represent the cultural backlogs of those societies. Denying sexuality and such doesn't quite work that well. I speak with a deal of knowledge about Catholicism, but regardless...It's because alot of us see the Church as monolithic or simply a guiding point with suggestions  (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:36 AM) |
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Mel (USER WAS TOTALLY AWESOME FOR THIS POST) Level: 47  Posts: 929/991 EXP: 762490 For next: 3713 Since: 03-15-04 From: secure tripcodes are for jerks Since last post: 17 min. Last activity: 16 min. |
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| I too speak with a great deal of knowledge about Catholics, and let me tell you: Those are /Austrailian/ Catholics. (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:36 AM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4807/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I should also add that most Catholics, regardless of geography, in first-world countries kind of shrug off a lot of Church teachings. Look at Italy/Italian immigrant communities Anywhoo, as Melvin states, those are Australian Catholics. American Catholics...Look no further than Rick Santorum.  Or perhaps the whack-job pizza mogul building Ave Maria (which doesn't sound too bad to me...but private religious community compounds just SMELL of Waco all over(to a lesser and more benign degree, of course)). In addition to this, I've always had this off feeling that British and Commonwealth nations have had a bizzare interpretation of multi-culturalism. Mind you...Australian gays have had a pretty hard time for the past while...But, to no surprise, those are puritanical sources. Either way when the Bastard Children of Britain and the Queen accept a group, they tend to do it in a fairly big way. (edited by alte Hex on 07-27-05 07:37 AM) |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 379/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Wiki Article on Australia's Same Sex Marriage situation and one on Civil Unions Marriage was recently redefined as between a man and a woman by the Federal Government, a Liberal/National coalition (Tories and classical liberals and a rural party, tending mostly towards the Tory faction). The opposition, nominally centreleft Labor Party (but whose often hawkish and socially conservative Right Faction dominates federally and probably constitutes the Centre of Aussie politics) supported this move, much to the despairing chagrin of progressive forces in this country who are in a minority *just small enough* to render us incredibly ineffectual right now in our particular electoral system. That said, there's plenty of Common Law workarounds used by the States, Tasmania has civil unions, approximating the Vermont situation... and de facto relationship recognition extends to gays in four of the six states and both internal territories. Given that Tassie has civil unions this leaves only South Australia offering no recognition... and there the legislation is on the cards too. Moreover, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory (our equivalent to the District of Columbia) may well soon recognise same sex marriages, but that'll possibly be overturned to the extent that it contradicts federal law. It'll be interesting if it happens... the High Court of Australia virtually always backs the federal government, we're far more centralist than either Canada or the US. Bear in mind Labor controls every state and territory government, but has a minority government in South Australia. They're not necessarily *for* gay marriage, that's never been federal Labor policy, but at the state level in many places they've shown a willingness to try to achieve equality and an end to discrimination in practical terms. Much like in the UK, our common law system lets us grant virtual equality - civil unions or in the UK civil partnerships which will in popular parlance be called "marriage" anyway (no-one will ask "will you civilly unionise with me?") and grant baically the same rights... without the messiness of a massive constituional shit-fight and Supreme Court angst, like America usually has. At a cultural level, in any major city gays are quite accepted. Sydney's biggest party of the year aside from New Years is the Gay and Lesbian Mardis Gras... and yeah, there's been a substantial cultural shift to the point where gays are basically accepted here outside of fairly religious or bigoted circles (let's not forget that opposition to gays isn't just religious, but also can come from really blokey working-class guys who "don't like poofs". Oh, and from non-anglo-celts of less progressive backgrounds, Chinese and the like). Hell, even in my rural hometown, my best friend came out at high school with little problem, and took his boyfriend to the formal (prom-type-event) with confidence. Interestingly enough he's the only friend I have who's managed, and still has, a successful and stable long term relationship. Also: I, for the record, am nominally Catholic, I was baptised and the Census thinks I am Catholic. I am atheist but feel certain cultural affinties (my father's family were Catholic raised in the working class docks area of Port Adelaide) towards the Church, and usually defend it from criticism because Catholics ain't so bad. Also: Please note the correct spelling of Australia, everyone. (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 08:00 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 08:01 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 08:02 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-27-05 08:08 AM) |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 1204/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Part of it doesn't surprise me, because the frothy mix known as Santorum, Fred Phelps, and their ilk aren't Catholics, as far as I know. They're Christian, but not Catholic. (Important distinction.) I think it's things like the transfiguration that turn people off of ardently following all of the Roman Catholic dogma. As far as I can tell, most of the whackjobs are of various Protestant denominations. Grey: Pizza mogul? Which one? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4820/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Rick Santorum IS Catholic. And the dude that runs Dominos. | |||
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Kefka Indefinitely Unbanned Level: 81 Posts: 3305/3392 EXP: 4826208 For next: 166641 Since: 03-15-04 From: Pomona, CALIFORNIA BABY! Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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I hate new studies. They're new.  I'm sure you can infer the rest. |
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Bio Buster Beetle Level: 27  Posts: 92/458 EXP: 107144 For next: 9015 Since: 07-06-05 From: a laboratory somewhere... Waiting to be completed Since last post: 8 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Well did you know that being gay caused by DNA the proof is the discovery of gay and lesbian monkey,and for the mariage thing I'm against all form of mariage, I think the only use of them Is to make that, when you don't love someone anymore you will divorce and It will create law problem and both will be angry |
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