Register | Login
Views: 19364387
Main | Memberlist | Active users | ACS | Commons | Calendar | Online users
Ranks | FAQ | Color Chart | Photo album | IRC Chat
11-02-05 12:59 PM
0 user currently in Lost Section.
Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Lost Section - "I play by my own rules." | |
Add to favorites | "RSS" Feed | Next newer thread | Next older thread
User Post
Slay

Level: 25

Posts: 234/339
EXP: 85592
For next: 4028

Since: 04-28-05
From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 1 day
Posted on 07-11-05 02:23 AM Link | Quote
We've all heard that phrase somewhere, be it in a movie or television show, from a quote-happy aquaintence or internet posting. The phrase implies that the person speaking it has disregard for athority figures, which further implies that they intend to violate the laws of their government and the staples of morality in the eyes of their peers. I wonder why this is. Just because it's a "cool" phrase?

I bring this up because I know several people who have confided in me something to the effect of, "I don't care what the hell anyone else says, I'll do whatever I want." However, they aren't self-labeled rebels, they're actually the more polite and kind people I know. They do indeed do "whatever the hell they want," it just coincidence that what they want to do happens to be within many people's perceptions of legality and morality.

So my question to you is this; if someone isn't violating the law, does that necessarily mean that they're following the law, that is to say, does that mean they are consciously making sure to preform only legal actions, or could it just so happen that they simply don't wish to do things which others deem "illegal?"

I suppose that, in a broader sense, this is a question of free will. If you ask me not to punch you, and I don't, do you assume that I refrained from punching you because you requested such, or do you not assume, and rather suppose that I never intended to punch you in the first place?

And in an even broader sense still, or perhaps a more focused one, if something is deemed "illegal," and you don't preform that something, should it be inferred that you refrain from doing it just because you know it's illegal, or should it be inferred that you personally don't feel like doing it? That is to ask, do you hold the ideals of "legality" and "illegality" in esteem, or do you generally disregard them in favor of personal morals and ideals?

Hmm. Despite it's length and relative clarity, I'd say this is my oddest and most potentially pointless post to date here on the forums.
Danielle

Local Moderator
Level: 76

Posts: 813/3359
EXP: 3958078
For next: 47982

Since: 09-15-04
From: RATE

Since last post: 3 hours
Last activity: 3 hours
Posted on 07-11-05 02:58 AM Link | Quote
I believe that for most people who were raised properly, there isn't a difference between legally wrong and morally wrong. For myself, I can think of something illegal and know I wouldn't do it, but I couldn't tell you why. It's how I grew up, what I learned, and I want to be a good person.

I also believe there's a difference between following the law and simply not breaking it. You can obey the law, or you can be in between, just not going so far as to break it.

Morality and will is involved, which is why not everyone obeys the law or would listen if they were asked not to punch someone.

I think the labels are useless. Nobody needs to make comments like "I don't care what you say" ect. just be labeled as a rebel. Honestly, who cares.
Place

Level: 12

Posts: 30/75
EXP: 7186
For next: 735

Since: 07-03-05
From: New Song Street

Since last post: 58 days
Last activity: 58 days
Posted on 07-11-05 04:53 AM Link | Quote
But anyone using the phrase "I don't care what you think" clearly cares that the person they're talking to thinks that they don't care, hence the illusion that many rebels give of trying too hard when they actually mean to come across as au natural.

Not that I care if you lot agree with what I just said.


(edited by Place on 07-10-05 07:54 PM)
paraplayer

Snifit
Level: 22

Posts: 207/280
EXP: 57271
For next: 1079

Since: 06-06-05

Since last post: 44 days
Last activity: 44 days
Posted on 07-11-05 01:11 PM Link | Quote
interesting concept. It depends wether people fear being morally wrong or legally wrong.
Arwon

Zora
Level: 35

Posts: 340/506
EXP: 278115
For next: 1821

Since: 03-15-04
From: Terra Australis Incognita

Since last post: 5 hours
Last activity: 10 min.
Posted on 07-12-05 05:25 AM Link | Quote
I've never even played D&D and all I can think is Chaotic Good alignment.

I personally don't think The Law has much in common with people's behaviour, it's not much of a moral force. Here's a breif tally of the laws I've knowingly, willingly broken with no moral qualms whatsoever:

-underage drinking
-supplying alcohol to minors
-vandalism
-accessory to drink driving
-marijuana posession and use
-fare evasion
-tresspassing
-petty theft

I'd wager most people have similar lists. Those who drive would have longer ones. This doesn't, in my mind, have much to do with morality or ethics. The law, in its petty, trivial forms, is just something you factor into a cost-benefit analysis, it carries no moral force.
Add to favorites | "RSS" Feed | Next newer thread | Next older thread
Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Lost Section - "I play by my own rules." | |


ABII


AcmlmBoard vl.ol (11-01-05)
© 2000-2005 Acmlm, Emuz, et al



Page rendered in 0.007 seconds.