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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22  Posts: 171/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| instead of making a whole bunch of topics for ESP and ghosts and other such things i'm maknig one giant kick-ass topic of awesomeness. i'll just list a few to begin: ESP Ghosts EVP Nirvana (might as well put it here) Other phychic powers such as telekinisis aliens. so what are your thoughts about these things? real or not? frankly i think its all crap. Except nirvana which really isn't that paranormal. EVP is interesting though. I research ESP like crazy for a few weeks and i'm 98 percent sure it's just intuition. Aliens... it really depends if the world is finite or not. |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26  Posts: 192/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| I believe there can be ghosts. But aliens? No, I think that's a figment of the imagination. What interest would they have in us? And most people's alien abduction stories don't add up anyway. But ghosts? I thought I saw one before, but I had already believed in them, at least somewhat. | |||
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 600/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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Originally posted by Dei*Let me get this straight. You belive in something that all know science tells us cannot exist. Yet you don't belive in something that theoretically has a very good chance of existing. PS: For all those people who say, "Well then why haven't aliens visited us?" I ask you "Why haven't we visited them?" The answer is simple. OTHER STARS ARE REALLY FREAKING FAR AWAY. |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3267/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Yeah, how can you believe in ghosts, but not aliens? Thats kinda... stupid. Not sure what EVP or Nirvana, but the rest don't exist. No one is phychic, sorry, no one has telekenisis, again sorry. How the brain operates wouldn't allow for that. All these dillusions are impossible in many many ways. |
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 195/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Well like I said, the stories about aliens just don't seem to add up. But it IS possible that aliens visit us/do whatever. O_o | |||
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 182/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| EVP is what the horrible crappy not-worth-seeing movie white noise was about. if you leave a very good sound recording device in a COMPELTELY silent room it records voices. tonnes of theories about that Nirvana isn't really paranormal but might as well discuss i here. Nirvana is a state of very high concentration. Most people have experienced nirvana while playing sports. You get so concentrated you can almost see into the future. If you've ever achieved Nirvana through something like meditation its quite a trip. As for aliens... like i said it really depends if the universe is finite or not. If its infinite then yes there are aliens. if its finite then... nobody really knows. |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 2719/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Umm, isn't Nirvana the Buddhist state of total enlightenment, attainable only after many reincarnations? | |||
Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 10322/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by Dei*And it may be possible that we do something similar with Alien specimen. Sometimes I belive that there is Aliens in the same part of the galaxy, but they aren't as far as we are. The thought of Alien stoneage civilizations amuse me, but it could be reality.  The thing with Paranormal stuff is that they're usually not proven well... or disproven for that matter. :/ I heard about ESP, and I probably will try it someday. Even if i'm intrested in Paranormal stuff, i'm not blindly beliving it! |
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 185/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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Originally posted by NSNick maybe total enlightenment comes from total concentration of the world. is anyone here a buddhist? |
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 5389/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| ESP: It has to be partially possible. Your brain gives off waves, and a machine could very well tell what you're thinking by them. For another person to pick them up or to tell the future, though, I'm not so sure of. Ghosts: We're powered by some sort of unknown force. If said force can give life to a lump of meat, no reason it cant manifest itself or something. I find it difficult to believe the extremes, like 'omg a ghost came to my party and got loaded and puked ectoplasm all over the stairs', though, because it wouldn't have a brain and thus no access to memory or ability to think. EVP: I really doubt you can see or hear dead people or anything like that in static. You can pick up stray radio signals though. Nirvana: Hypnosis is possible. This, AFAIK, is just hypnosis to the next level. I dunno about the whole 'soul going to another plane' thing but until I read a few posts here I didn't even know WTF this was, so eh. Psychic powers: The brain's an amazing thing. Again, it's always giving off a bit of energy. You could probably concentrate this energy to do interesting things, but it'd be very, very difficult. Don't believe someone who says they can do it until you've seen it done. Aliens: If the universe is truly infinite, it's impossible for aliens not to exist. And even if not what's so special about Earth that it's the only planet with life in such a ridiculously huge space? And don't say it's the only one that can support life. One, we don't know that, and two, a species living on another planet would probably have different needs than a human. Humans can't live in water, either. Does that mean there's no such thing as fish? As for why they haven't visited us, several possible answers. 1) They can't. Just because they live on another planet doesn't mean they're a million zillion years ahead of us in technology. They could be plants. 2) They have, and we don't know it. Maybe we can't see them, maybe they're in disguise, maybe the government's hiding them. Hell maybe they're right in front of us and we don't notice. 3) They don't know we're here. Trillions of, if not infinite planets out there. They may not even know about this one yet. 4) They're scared of us. We are a pretty fucked up species, what with war and pollution and such.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4339/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by NSNick It is attainable when true enlightenement is reached. So, in a round about way of saying it. Yeah. After many reincarnations. Mind you, the first Buddha got there on the first go. Ghosts? I do believe in them. Aliens? Sure, why not? ESP? Chances are some people have somethng special about them. EVP? I'm going to leave my TV on for an hour. When the speaker starts effing up then I shall assume it is a ghost. Although really, any of these things can be true. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 187/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| A quick note on aliens; why does everybody seem to assume that if there is alien life somewhere out there, that this life appears as a highly technologically advanced yet conformist society of highly intelligent humanoid beings? The odds of that are so astronomical that they are incomprehendable to the human mind. The odds are that yes, there is life in the universe somewhere besides Earth, but it's most likely in the form of simple microbial lifeforms and bacterias, or perhaps simple algae or fungus. The idea that there is life outside of the Earthsphere is not at all radical. The idea that there are little gray men with large almond-shaped eyes that abduct rare individuals without leaving any trace and without ever appearing to anybody else, is. | |||
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HyperLamer <||bass> and this was the soloution i thought of that was guarinteed to piss off the greatest amount of people Sesshomaru Tamaranian Level: 118 Posts: 5422/8210 EXP: 18171887 For next: 211027 Since: 03-15-04 From: Canada, w00t! LOL FAD Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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I agree completely. It bothers me when people automatically assume aliens have to look similar to humans and be super-advanced and want to kill us. Hence:Originally posted by HyperHacker In #2, the idea is that maybe they're on like a different number of dimensions or something crazy like that so that we can't see them or don't notice them. Or they're hiding or disguised. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 214/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| While we're on the subject of the paranormal, I would like to relate something. I get strongly impulsive feelings which are, I think, beyond mere intuition. I sense "badness," and seek to distance myself from it. I'll give a common, everyday example; I pace about as I think, often to the point of wearing blisters in my feet. I find myself pacing throughout my house, and I'll decide to head into a specific room, perhaps because it's currently cleaner and has more walking space than another. But as soon as I enter the room, I feel something negative in the very air, and I decide to head to another room, even if it means going out of my way to clean up someone else's mess so I can have space to pace. This is the extent of it, really. Nothing prophetic or even paranormal, I wouldn't claim to sense "auras," I simply get these very implusive and intense feelings. The feelings are only transient, however. I may go into that previously avoided room mere hours later, and not sense any badness. The feeling is most often indescribable by any of my mundane senses, however on occasion, it is accompanied or heralded by a perking of the ears. I imagine if I were a cat, my ears would go from a comfortable to a stiff and upright position in these situations. This impulse of mine also makes me arrange things unnecessarily or oddly. For instance, I might see a row of shoes by the door, with one sticking out into the hallway. I pass it by, but feel the restless need to push it back with the others. Not for sake of neatness or orginization, but because for an instant, I imagine someone walking through that hall while carrying boxes or something which obscures their view, and triping over the shoe. It is as if my conscious is pre-cognitively blaming me for accidents that may happen in the future, and the only way for me to clear my mind of the guilt is to prevent the future occurance by altering things in the present. As for the sense of negativity, it is not limited to rooms or places, but also extends to objects and people. I've had someone offer me a drink while I was thirsty, but I declined to accept it because I felt something negative about the container it was served in. Again, however, I may drink from that container at a later time. Sometimes, when a person joins me in a room or on a seat, I feel an impulsive need to be away from them, yet other times, I enjoy their company. This is, of course, ignoring the possibility that they're doing something which offends or annoys me. I struggle to explain why I feel this way. I do not think it is paranoia, nor paranormal in nature. So what, then, could it be? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 4445/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Simple intution, Watson. You sense "badness" because everybody has had life experiences that create associative personalities. You associate various physical features and character traits to "badness" and seek to remove yourself from these people. As for events, it is indeed paranoia. And impulse. The average human will just do things for no real reason. Somedays I'll be reading in my bedroom, and then I'll get out and read outside because I start getting a headache or sometimes I'll just open a door which then saves my ass from walking into a wall later that night. Coincidence and nothing more. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2586/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 216/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| That's what I was referring to, Ziff; your express purpose on the boards seems to be to rain on other people's parades, so to speak. It's also quite impolite to make ultimate statements based on a matter of opinion, personal insight or conjecture. Notice how others add qualifiers such as, "I think" or "At least, that's my opinion," or even the simple acronym "IMO." It is not only polite, but a way to express to those who read your post that you admit to being fallable, and are simply giving your insight into things, not claiming to be correct on every matter you speak of. You instead choose to make absolute statements, as if you were some arbiter of truth and judger of all who simply "knows" what is right, what is wrong, what is truth and what is falsity. It seems like you feel you have the right to tell other people about themselves. You tell me that I "associate" this or "do" that in your post, rather than saying, "It seems like," or "I think you might." I suppose nothing I say could change the way you post, but I do honestly want to help people, even those who dislike me or act rudely. I want to know why you are so angry and bitter that you feel the need to post in the way that you do, so that I could perhaps help you to overcome that. Send me a personal message if you want to talk. I believe I have the great ability to give advice and to console, in almost any situation. But don't simply take my word for it; ask around, others seem to agree in my advice-giving ability. (edited by Slay on 07-05-05 12:18 AM) |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 2588/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Slay I have absolutely no problems with everything but that. Ziff's personal issues are not necessary to discuss in a formal debate. Before this gets off topic and out of hand. And one last edit: Generally, in a debate the rules of engagement are not to state opinions, but to persuade others that your views are correct in absolution. I lied: This would be why I don't really debate anymore. (edited by Grey on 07-05-05 12:20 AM) (edited by Grey on 07-05-05 12:21 AM) (edited by Grey on 07-05-05 12:22 AM) |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85 Posts: 2817/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| As an aside, stating "IMO", or "I think" is redundant. Unless you cite a source, it's assumed that what you post is your opinion. | |||
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Dei* Nipper Plant Level: 26 Posts: 283/412 EXP: 97995 For next: 4280 Since: 06-18-05 From: USA, Florida Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 1 day |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker Well, I somehow think that ghosts can recount memories and such. If this unknown force could manifest itself, what else could it do? Yeah well aliens may be well scared of us, but what could we do to them, if they visit us, they surely would be able to annihilate good chunks of the planet quickly. Think about it. |
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