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Posted on 06-29-05 07:24 PM Link | Quote
ok, this is creepy....

http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/06/27/1923259.shtml?tid=191&tid=14

or heres a quote from there:
"U.S. scientists have managed to revive dead dogs to life, by using a technique similar to cryogenation, in which the dogs' blood was drained and replaced by a cold, saline liquid. A couple of hours, their blood was replaced, and an electric shock brought them back to life with no brain damage. The technology will be tested on humans within the next year."

..the article at: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html has the whole way they did it...it is pretty freaky, but apparently the dogs are alive now, with their blood back, and no brain damage, and they are acting normal..
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:30 PM Link | Quote
We so rock.
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:32 PM Link | Quote
heres one other quote from the full news article

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Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved.

Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts.

Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:35 PM Link | Quote
I just wonder what the longterm issues will be.
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:43 PM Link | Quote
They'll be normal, happy doggies.

No bad could come of this, except for maybe a bit of memory loss. While there is no brain damage, yes, the brain will had ceased function for a short time, and short-term memory is just like RAM: Reboot the system, and poof; it's gone.

Hehe. I wonder if one of the dogs is named Abby.


(edited by Cymoro on 06-29-05 10:44 AM)
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:46 PM Link | Quote
Another sidenote: Why did I think of the T-Virus when I first read that?

I mean, happy undead zombie doggies?
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:47 PM Link | Quote
the dogs were alive before their blood was drained. that means, live humans would have to be killed in the tests
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:49 PM Link | Quote
Certanly, there are volunteers for that, just think of the suicid-numbers in Japan and Switzerland.
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:52 PM Link | Quote
I don't quite know what to make of this. It certainly is neat science, but I'm questioning on how applicable it is on humans. I'm assuming that with humans it will cause some damage. You know, our brain needs a lot more resources than a dogs. And there are various other more glaring physiological difference.

Kawaii, I'm 99% sure that suicide victims are a waste of resources for this procedure I think that the proper patients are people who have been in major car crashes and are losing blood like mofos.
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Posted on 06-29-05 07:56 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Apophis
the dogs were alive before their blood was drained. that means, live humans would have to be killed in the tests


no, if you read the news article it says:
"The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.

But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock. "
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:28 PM Link | Quote
I predict a fake.
This just can't work out.
Three hours without oxygen = brain becomes a mass of worthless bioplasm.
Cold liquid as "blood" = 90% of the life-upkeeping processes, including enzymatic activity, don't work.

A creepy idea, though.
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:29 PM Link | Quote
Sounds pretty cool, except for this one quote:

"US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years."

Sounds like a trick. Get an axe.
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:31 PM Link | Quote
Think of this as a sort of "short-term" cryogenic process.
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:32 PM Link | Quote
even though it says years, it also says within a year...so I wonder what it will be, 1 year, or more. I wish they described the process a little better, or showed some good pictures of the dead dog, then of the alive one, or a video even
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:34 PM Link | Quote
Wow, I've seen this on like 3 different forums. Sure has made its rounds, eh?
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Posted on 06-29-05 08:43 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by blackhole89
I predict a fake.
This just can't work out.
Three hours without oxygen = brain becomes a mass of worthless bioplasm.
Cold liquid as "blood" = 90% of the life-upkeeping processes, including enzymatic activity, don't work.

A creepy idea, though.


one reason why I think its real, is because its from an actual research center, the safar center for resuscitation research, and they are trying to find ways of using suspended animation and what not.
http://www.safar.pitt.edu/index.htm
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Posted on 06-29-05 10:31 PM Link | Quote
this is just...freaky

i do see this being used to give people a 2nd chance in life when it truly wasn't their time to go. however, i'm sure the technology will be abused at some point (like with every new tech) but those will be kept at a minimum.

i wonder if it is a good thing that pitt is a private university, i can picture the outcry if this was at a publically funded school...
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Posted on 06-29-05 10:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Dcahrakos
Originally posted by Apophis
the dogs were alive before their blood was drained. that means, live humans would have to be killed in the tests


no, if you read the news article it says:
"The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity.

But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock. "


well, they way I understand the article, the blood was replaced with the cold liquid, making them clinically dead, then placed back into the body three hours later.
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Posted on 06-29-05 10:48 PM Link | Quote
well..its really hard to understand when its written like that, but then wouldnt that count as animal cruelty? seeing as how they would have killed them, not knowing for sure if it would work.
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Posted on 06-29-05 11:28 PM Link | Quote
Question: Isn't the blood substitute that they put in the dogs good enough for humans? That would make blood donations obsolete!
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