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| Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Pharmacists refuse to fill birth control, etc. |
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Should pharmacists be forced to fill prescriptions they object to? Should the government get involved?| No; no. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 162/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| 02.Edit I said "pro-choice" where I meant to use "pro-life." I really dropped the ball this time. Update Forgive me, for I have misconstrued some information. Read here before continuing. It was my former belief that the bill congress is considering was to force pharmacists to sell all the medication their pharmacy stocks. I am quite mistaken. They are considering a bill that would, in fact, make it a legal right for pharmacists to refuse to fill a prescription, but would also require them to refer the patient to another pharmacist who will fill it, because some are refusing to do that, as well. This is what has caused controversy, and has people claiming that the government needs to enforce the opposite legislation; to indeed require pharmacists to fill prescriptions for drugs their pharmacy has in stock, regardeless of personal conviction. The greatest cause for controversy is that the pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions are claiming that it is a form of abortion, and are self-labeled "Pro-Life." I had the opposite misconception; that congress was considering a bill which would make it illegal to refuse to fill prescriptions. As a stickler for facts, I feel quite foolish for having overlooked this, especially considering the fact that I brought up the debate in the first place, and made a topic of it, no less. The poll, thankfully, withstands, as it doesn't directly cite the bill, and just asks for an opinion on the general matter. I'll make sure to be more careful when making such topics in the future. The original topic post follows... If you've listened to any large news outlet recently, you will likely have heard of the recent attention on the case of pharmacists refusing to fill birth control and "morning after" pills based upon moral or religious conviction, that is, personal opposition to the concept of birth control. Some even refuse to refer their would-be customers to other pharmacists, and thus, prescriptions are never filled or the owner of the prescription has to go through an ordeal to get their medication. The American Medical Association condemns this practice, while many pharmaceutical companies actively promote the right of the individual pharmacist to deny prescriptions based upon personal conviction. Congress (forgive me if I'm incorrect - it might be another lawmaking body of the U.S. government) currently has a bill in limbo that would force pharmacists to fill all prescriptions. Your thoughts? Do pharmacists have the right to deny medication when a medical professional has already deemed them necessary? Do they not? Should the government get involved, by passing a bill either forcing them to fill prescriptions, or confirming a right to refuse certain prescriptions? Please, explain your opinion in as much detail as you like, do not simply give it. (edited by Slay on 06-23-05 07:33 AM) (edited by Slay on 06-23-05 10:23 PM) |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 328/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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| Well, the "Yes (force them); No (government intervention)" response is self-contradictory: if you force them, then the government is getting involved. That said, I voted "Yes" on both. As you mentioned, pharmacists aren't there to decide what the patient should or should not receive: that decision has already been made by a doctor. The pharmacist's role is to carry out that decision. If a pharmacist is so presumptuous as to decide he/she isn't going to do his/her job, then he/she should be removed from that job. Plain and simple. If you object to birth control, etc on moral grounds, that's fine: don't use birth control, then. But your right to practice your morals stops when it affects other peoples' rights to practice theirs. |
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NSNick Laidback Admin Level: 85  Posts: 2537/3875 EXP: 5895841 For next: 2699 Since: 03-15-04 From: North Side School: OSU Since last post: 9 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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Originally posted by Vystrix NexothThat depends. Does the AMA have any power over pharmacies? If so, they can be forced through the AMA without government intervention. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get.  Level: 73  Posts: 2118/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| With regards to Birth Control pills (ie, the standard Contraceptive Pill) most Pharmacists should realise that a lot of women don't take those for actual Birth Control purposes either -- many take them for other reasons recommended by their doctors. I... think that pharmacists should provide the drugs needed. I don't like the idea of "forcing" them, as such, but I think that pharmacists shouldn't be making moral decisions for their customers; they don't know their customers situations. (edited by Grey on 11-01-05 07:41 PM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4250/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Pharmacists can't deny, at all, up here. They're paid to fulfill the service of giving out medication and filling prescriptions. If they have some sort of moral problem with this then they probably shouldn't have become pharamacists. | |||
Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 318/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| It's like a devout Jewish person getting a job in a goyim-run butcher or a Quaker joining the army. | |||
beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 160/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| Well, I disagree. If a pharmacist does not fill a birth control prescription, that pharmacist isn't making a moral decision for the person having the prescription filled--they may think so, but they're not. They are owners of their private property and they don't want to dispense birth control pills in their store, as simple as that. | |||
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 321/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Private property uber alles? So you approve of "Whites only" signs then? | |||
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 161/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by Arwon I don't approve of them, but I don't think they should be illegal. I believe private property owners have the right to choose who they want on their property. And it's not "private property uber alles" either. There are times when other considerations exist, such as when a person is trying to kill you. At that point, he loses his property rights over his weapon and you should make an effort to deprive him of that so he can't use it to kill you. |
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||bass Programmer Admin Level: 44  Posts: 566/817 EXP: 570813 For next: 40472 Since: 03-15-04 From: Salem, Connecticut Since last post: 26 days Last activity: 11 days |
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| It comes down to the fact that any pharmacy is a private buisness and private buisnesses don't have to do buisness with anyone they don't want to. It's their decision. Nobody should force them to sell you their medicine the same way nobody should force you to buy medicine should you not want it. On that note, those pharmacists are a bunch of pricks and deserve to lose all their customers. |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 162/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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Originally posted by ||bass I agree 100%, especially with that last sentence.  I personally think that in most cases, it is a bad business decision, and that generally pharmacists who carry birth control pills will do better. The same with discriminators. You may have a few "whites only" or "blacks only" or whatever in existence, but I think that those who cater to all races would be the ones who would generally do the best.(edited by beneficii on 06-22-05 01:26 PM) |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 3295/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Interesting question if I become a pharmacist... I agree with the pharmacist being able to decide what prescriptions they will or will not fill. However, the government should not be involved in a stance to say whether all pharmacies should or should not fulfill such requests. But at the same time, if there is one place that will honor such requests, people should be able to go to that pharmacy without a problem. Double standards are a way of government functionality... |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 322/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Pharmacists have a duty of care much like doctors and are failing in that pretty spectacularly... to the point of negligence, really. They do take an oath afterall. If someone has a prescription, then why should the pharmacists have the right to deny that medical treatment is beyond me. Especially since, in my understanding, there have been cases where pharmacists have refused to transfer the prescription elsewhere, basically withholding the damn thing in a very time critical situation. I don't think this is a simple libertarian "someone else will do it" issue. Walmart has refused to stock these things, which given that it's driven other pharmacists out of business, is often the only easily available option, is a big problem. So does some poor Arkansas teen get to miss out on birth control because Walmart is exercising its private proprty rights? Moreover, the pressure exerted by the Taliban Wing of Christianity through lobbying and boycotts and protests and stuff in some parts of the US can mean that phatmacists are under pressure and may decide it is less costly to lose the business than face that lobby. Again the situation of small Southern towns springs to mind. What's more, in the US, in the absense of a universal single healthcover system, not all pharmacists might be on your health insurance... in a timecritical situation like these B drugs, people don't really wanna have to search round, or go to the next town 50 miles away, just because some jackass thinks he has the right to tell you you can't get a drug you have a prescription for. There's a lot more flying around here than just "property rights". ---\ EDIT: I jut noticed the issue of government intervention at the top here. Now, pharmacists need a license, right? You lot do have an FDA deciding what drugs are safe and available under prescription, right? Then, it seems to me that the pharmacist is already UP TO THEIR ARMPITS IN EVIL EXCESSIVE STATE REGULATION OMFG and that as such it's not exactly a big ask that they be "forced" to give people stuff they have a legal prescription for. Actually, if the prevailing regulation they're working under says "this is legal and available for prescription" and then the pharmacist says "no i dont think i'll accept that" and denies someone their legal prescription... then they're being negligent, they're not doing their job, and they're breaking the law. I wonder if these same assholes hand out bloody viagra. (edited by Arwon on 06-22-05 01:56 PM) (edited by Arwon on 06-22-05 01:57 PM) |
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beneficii Lakitu Level: 36 Posts: 164/567 EXP: 299656 For next: 8454 Since: 06-27-04 From: Cordova, TN, USA Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| But the guy can't say that you "can't" get a birth control pill, or whatever you're talking about. He is saying that he will not provide it. It is the responsiblity of the patient to acquire the drugs which have been prescribed him by the doctor. In the cases where the pharmacist takes the prescription slip and withholds it from the patient, the rightful owner of that prescription slip, then the pharmacist is violating that patient's private property rights. Using that case as an argument does not really contradict the concept of private property rights, as none of us here are saying that only businesses have them. Originally posted by Arwon (edited by beneficii on 06-22-05 01:58 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 8837/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| Personal opinions on this matter should stay out of the workplace kthx. Seriously, you are a PHARMACIST. Your job is to give people their medication, whether it's something over the counter or filling a prescription. At the absolute WORST, if someone did feel strongly opposed to giving out birth control pills, then they should recommend the person to a clinic/pharmacist who will fill the prescription; even then, they're still not doing their job. Girls shouldn't be in the position of having to request morning after pills, but god forbid they end up getting pregnant because their pharmacist told them to get lost. |
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Tarale I'm not under the alfluence of incohol like some thinkle peop I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get. Level: 73 Posts: 2125/2720 EXP: 3458036 For next: 27832 Since: 03-18-04 From: Adelaide, Australia Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Just out of interest, would these same pharmacists be likely to stop selling all other contraceptives, ie, condoms, etc? o.o I still think these pharmacists are dicks. I'm on the contraceptive pill at the moment due to problems ovulating; without it I have all sorts of weird issues. (edited by Grey on 11-01-05 07:42 PM) |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3227/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Doctors treat whoever comes into their office hurt, its one of oaths I believe, that they can't refuse service to anyone if they need it. This is kind of the same thing, and if someone wanted to bring their own personal opinion into someone else's life, they need to have their ego deflated, turned into shit, and shoved in their mouth. |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 1113/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| But the guy can't say that you "can't" get a birth control pill, or whatever you're talking about. He is saying that he will not provide it. It is the responsiblity of the patient to acquire the drugs which have been prescribed him by the doctor. Unless they will not fill it knowing there is nowhere else to get it filled, and/or refuse to return the prescription, meaning you've gotta go back to your doctor for another one. If you object to birth control, don't become a pharmacist. Period. End of fucking discussion. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 326/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| Or move to 1950s Ireland or something. | |||
Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 504/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I think prescriptions should be filled if they are prescribed.. that's pretty basic. Pharmicists shouldn't have the right to refuse that. It's their job. I also don't think that the government needs to get involved. Just fill the prescriptions when they need to be filled when prescribed by a DOCTOR, what's the problem? |
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